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'Wall of Vets,' a group of veterans formed a line in front of protesters in Portland on Friday as the city endured another night of tense demonstrations.
Video of the Vets.

Trump has promised to ratchet up his Portland approach, saying in an interview with Fox News on Thursday that he could send as many as 75,000 federal agents to other US cities.

He is using this "law and order" President approach to try to shore up his shaky reelection bid.

Now he faces two risks, clearly his approach is not stopping the demonstrations in Portland as he claimed was his objective - in fact they are growing in size so he risks looking ineffective.

His second and bigger risk is that using aggressive measures against mostly peaceful protesters like with tear gas and other crowd control agents he will turn the antiracism demonstrations into much larger antigovernment demonstrations (as has happened in other countries) so firing up people's enthusiasm to actually vote and to vote against him.

He really should be taking a lead on stopping COVID-19 instead of playing at militant put downs of his own people.
Some people have interpreted my comments as meaning he shoud be forcing legislation on the States.
Actually as the President with the Bully Pulpit he could choose to do a tremendous amount of good. He could, for example, save thousands of lives by wearing a mask everywhere, by continually reinforcing social distancing, &&&&
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No, we were talking about protests in the USA. And your example wasn't "Antifa", what happened in Germany was committed by an asylum seeker.
The Dayton mass shooter who killed 9 people described himself as an 'antifa sympathiser' (though I don't know why this is being discussed)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019...ng#Perpetrator
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The Dayton mass shooter who killed 9 people described himself as an 'antifa sympathiser' (though I don't know why this is being discussed)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019...ng#Perpetrator
It happened in August 2019, no? I checked because you made me curious. I don't know anything about "Antifa" other than what people talk on this site.

Here's more about this mass shooter

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/05/u...ile/index.html
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Coming in from outside - it is funny (predictable however I suppose) how the same people who support Trump come what may, warts, boils and canker and more - are the same who want to destroy the EU and the UK.
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His second and bigger risk is that using aggressive measures against mostly peaceful protesters like with tear gas and other crowd control agents he will turn the antiracism demonstrations into much larger antigovernment demonstrations (as has happened in other countries) so firing up people's enthusiasm to actually vote and to vote against him.
Seems to be escalating and could easily turn into much larger antigovernment demonstrations.

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Police departments from Richmond, Va., to Seattle reported incidents.
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Some Democrats are bothered nominee is an older white man – and they solidly back Biden in November


How Can I Cure My White Guilt?

Im honestly glad you don't understand, because it's mostly a bunch of nonsense. Self-hate, self-victimization mentality. I'm even a victim myself - having to live with the shame of history because I was born white! And people of color are in turn victims of me because they have to share space in society with another privileged white male. So many conflicting emotions! /s
I had the time to read the second article and it actually made me laugh. As a white person myself albeit from a totally different background and culture, I find these racial tensions in the USA kind of weird. The thing is, I suppose only there white people live with this white guilt. Or maybe in South-Africa too, who knows.
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From the Holocaust Memorial Museum

Surprisingly, it seems that list is semi-genuine. Apparently it was never an exhibit or on display at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, but the gift shop there used to sell posters of the list, which was created by an amateur historian in 2003 during the "Reign of Terror" of GWB and Dick Cheney...

My memory must be fading, but did people really accuse Dubya of being fascist? Aaaaah, the good ol' days, eh?
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Surprisingly, it seems that list is semi-genuine. Apparently it was never an exhibit or on display at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, but the gift shop there used to sell posters of the list, which was created by an amateur historian in 2003 during the "Reign of Terror" of GWB and Dick Cheney...

My memory must be fading, but did people really accuse Dubya of being fascist? Aaaaah, the good ol' days, eh?
It's in the barely legible small print stating exactly that.
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It's in the barely legible small print stating exactly that.
My eyesight started fading even before my memory!
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Seems to be escalating and could easily turn into much larger antigovernment demonstrations.
Let's certainly hope so.

For those who don't understand what Antifa is, they are a group that are radically against fascism of any kind. Most hippie dippy peace loving people don't know how to stand up to militant right wing gun toting nationalists. Antifa stands up for the causes of the left, but will actually fight hard against the opposite side instead of just trying to hand them flowers. The majority of them are not pro-violence, but some of their members will respond actively to the violence which is regularly thrown their way.

All the above is why Trump and his supporters consider them dangerous, because they are capable of building a stronger movement more than other organizations.

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The Dayton mass shooter who killed 9 people described himself as an 'antifa sympathiser' (though I don't know why this is being discussed)
HA OK, a potential "sympathizer" is not worth discussing when stories like this from the opposite side are regularly happening:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/26/u...-protests.html
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Let's certainly hope so.

For those who don't understand what Antifa is, they are a group that are radically against fascism of any kind. Most hippie dippy peace loving people don't know how to stand up to militant right wing gun toting nationalists. Antifa stands up for the causes of the left, but will actually fight hard against the opposite side instead of just trying to hand them flowers. The majority of them are not pro-violence, but some of their members will respond actively to the violence which is regularly thrown their way.
I've always thought that Antifa described the militant left, nearly the flip side of the militant right, with violence being part and parcel of the movement.

Edit: Can people stop posting links with no description to sites with paywalls?
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I've always thought that Antifa described the militant left, nearly the flip side of the militant right, with violence being part and parcel of the movement.

Edit: Can people stop posting links with no description to sites with paywalls?
There are some who actively seek violence in Antifa, but it has evolved to be a majority of members who seek other radical ways of defense against fascists. Of course Trump and his cronies make you believe they are militant terrorists, but that is far from true.

Here's more info, no paywall:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/art...w-about-antifa

Sorry, NY Times offers up to 10 free articles per month, I guess you are past yours. I don't think there is a paywall for this one:

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...es/5515320002/

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HA OK, a potential "sympathizer" is not worth discussing when stories like this from the opposite side are regularly happening:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/26/u...-protests.html
He described himself as a sympathiser, there's nothing "potential" about it.
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For those who don't understand what Antifa is, they are a group that are radically against fascism of any kind. Most hippie dippy peace loving people don't know how to stand up to militant right wing gun toting nationalists. Antifa stands up for the causes of the left, but will actually fight hard against the opposite side instead of just trying to hand them flowers. The majority of them are not pro-violence, but some of their members will respond actively to the violence which is regularly thrown their way.

All the above is why Trump and his supporters consider them dangerous, because they are capable of building a stronger movement more than other organizations.
All well and good except as I said before there is no such organisation as "Antifa". It remains a fiction of the alt-right.
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All well and good except as I said before there is no such organisation as "Antifa". It remains a fiction of the alt-right.
Exactly, it is a description like "feminist".
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All well and good except as I said before there is no such organisation as "Antifa". It remains a fiction of the alt-right.
Exactly. It's mostly just spoiled kids looking for a way to rebel. Most of them will grow up, although there are a few older losers who support them. And of course journalists love them.
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He described himself as a sympathiser, there's nothing "potential" about it.
What's your point? You found one guy who committed atrocities and somehow he is a reflection on Antifa?

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All well and good except as I said before there is no such organisation as "Antifa". It remains a fiction of the alt-right.
It does exist, but is very fractional, doesn't have actual members and yes indeed, most of what you hear from the alt-right on them is fiction.
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Exactly. It's mostly just spoiled kids looking for a way to rebel. Most of them will grow up, although there are a few older losers who support them. And of course journalists love them.
Actually you have it the wrong way around.

It is a label falsely applied to people who demonstrate to try to disparage them and so provide an excuse not to pay attention and actively fix the problems they are demonstrating against.

You seem to have missed the point that Antifa is not an organisation?

It is, for example, a label applied by Trump to people who are genuinely against police murdering unarmed black people so he can avoid his Presidential duty of protecting his own citizens.
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There are some who actively seek violence in Antifa, but it has evolved to be a majority of members who seek other radical ways of defense against fascists. Of course Trump and his cronies make you believe they are militant terrorists, but that is far from true.

Here's more info, no paywall:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/art...w-about-antifa

Sorry, NY Times offers up to 10 free articles per month, I guess you are past yours. I don't think there is a paywall for this one:

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...es/5515320002/

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Exactly, it is a description like "feminist".

Thank you, Susie-Q. It's more clear now. I don't talk about these things with friends e.g. "Are you ashamed for being white in America" or "And what about Antifa" etc etc etc. I'm very curious about politics because unfortunately it does influence our lives a lot. Not only what happens in one's home country but everywhere.

So I try to understand all these movements and the ideologies behind and I believe what's happening elsewhere cannot be implemented or referred to somewhere else because different places have different issues and mentalities.

Far from me from discrediting BLM and MeToo or Antifa (if it does exist lol )etc I just don't think these movements are revered everywhere.
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