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Old 08.08.2020, 19:09
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I'll probably still trust his diagnosis given that he personally treated Trump, as opposed to your TDS eggheads who diagnose him based on his Twitter feed.
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I think it's pathetic but I believe it's known white savior complex.
So diagnosing based on EF posts is a sounder method than using twitter input?
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Forget any census. Poverty is about us!
https://blogs.msn.com/povertynextdoo...ut-us-not-them
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The FrameWorks Institute, a research group that focuses on public framing of issues, has studied what props up stereotypes and narratives of poverty in the United Kingdom.

“People view economic success and wellbeing in life as … a product of choice, willpower, drive, grit, and gumption,” says Nat Kendall-Taylor, CEO of FrameWorks. “When we see people who are struggling,” he says, those assumptions “lead us to the perception that people in poverty are lazy, they don’t care, and they haven’t made the right decisions.”

Does this sound familiar? Similar ideas surround poverty in the U.S. And these assumptions wreak havoc on reality. “When people enter into that pattern of thinking,” says Kendall-Taylor, “it’s cognitively comfortable to make sense of issues of poverty in that way. [It] creates a kind of cognitive blindness — all of the factors external to a person’s drive [and] choices that they’ve made become invisible and fade from view.
https://youtu.be/rwXO0sbN4pc
Joan Baez - There but for Fortune, by Phil Ochs (probably 1965)
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Old 08.08.2020, 19:55
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I did not connote that to meaning 'black', do not put false words in my mouth.

The word I used was "racist".
As I already posted according to the US Census bureau 90% of low income people are non white, that is surely not so hard for anyone to understand

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Can you explain where the 90% of all low income people are non white comes from? Thanks.
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I think it's pathetic but I believe it's known white savior complex.
If there is a complex like this in a left-ish political arena (I understand what you meant), it will not have anything to do with race, me thinks. Why would you assume that a part of a political spectrum would be race specific?
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Old 08.08.2020, 21:03
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Can you explain where the 90% of all low income people are non white comes from? Thanks.
It comes from the US Census bureau who produce reports based on analysing completed census forms.
When people complete US census forms among other things they have to enter their race and their income level. There are penalties for incorrect entries.
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Old 08.08.2020, 21:20
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It comes from the US Census bureau who produce reports based on analysing completed census forms.
When people complete US census forms among other things they have to enter their race and their income level. There are penalties for incorrect entries.
Yes. I’m trying to figure out how this particular statistic is computed. I can’t find in the census data. To be honest, I think there might be an error.
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Old 08.08.2020, 21:31
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Yes. I’m trying to figure out how this particular statistic is computed. I can’t find in the census data. To be honest, I think there might be an error.
Here are the datasets
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Yes. I’m trying to figure out how this particular statistic is computed. I can’t find in the census data. To be honest, I think there might be an error.
It looks like marton subtracted the white's poverty rate of 10% from an assumed total of 100%, ignoring that the percentages in his chart don't add up to 100 at all, simply because the percentages are the poverty rates for the respective ethnicity.

Almost half of all poor people in the US are white, about 43% (based on 320mln residents thereof 64% white).
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As I already posted according to the US Census bureau 90% of low income people are non white, that is surely not so hard for anyone to understand
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I was wondering that - Not trying to be a pain, the percentages don’t add up to 100 if you add up across racial groups.
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Old 09.08.2020, 10:34
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I’m sorry Marton, I really think your calculation is off.

I believe it’s closer to 50%

I did a little quick & dirty computation here. Using population proportions and the poverty numbers you gave. It’s sloppy and there are many ways to slice and dice these data. But this is just looking at individuals within the population. I believe it is far more useful to look at poverty within groups, for example 40% of both black and Hispanic/Latina children live in poverty. These computations fail to capture that.

Pop below is US population
A. B. C. D
Race. Proportion in pop. Proportion poor. Prop poor in pop (B*C)
White. .634. .101. .064
Hisp./lat. ,153. .176. .027
Black. .134. . 208. .028
Native Am. .013. .254. .0033
Asian. .059. .101. .0059


Total poor in population .126 or 12.6% (add up last column)
Total white poor 6.4%
Total non white poor 6.2%

This doesn’t capture how poverty affects families or children it’s just counting heads.


And I’m sorry the table is impossible to read. It was nicely formatted while I was editing it.
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Old 09.08.2020, 11:17
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I am discussing low income housing, not the poor in general.

From the US Dept. of Housing and Urban development.
Forty-eight percent of public housing households are black.
10 percent of public housing households are Hispanic.

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Which conforms my point that Trump's references to low income housing are racist.
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Some US newspapers are remembering the Mississippi towns traumatized by the string of raids looking for undocumented workers at poultry processing plants a year ago.

At the time it was claimed that 680 were arrested. Exactly what happened to them afterwards is not well documented, some went home, some were released with GPS trackers and are back at work. Those released have been granted hearings in immigrations courts in 2023; the combination of Trump putting pressure on ICE to arrest more plus the delays caused by COVID-19 has pushed the wait time for immigration hearings in many places into four years or more.

Undocumented workers are pushed back into the community because there is no space available to lock them up for years to wait for immigration hearings
and no budget to pay for their food and other costs while they wait.

The whole thing is Kafkaesque.
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I am discussing low income housing, not the poor in general.

From the US Dept. of Housing and Urban development.
Forty-eight percent of public housing households are black.
10 percent of public housing households areHispanic.

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Which conforms my point that Trump's references to low income housing are racist.
What about the 39% of public housing households that are white? Are they just cannon fodder in this racist scheme you've concocted?
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I am discussing low income housing, not the poor in general.
In order to illustrate a topic your chart should be ON that topic, instead of on something else.
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From the US Dept. of Housing and Urban development.
Forty-eight percent of public housing households are black.
10 percent of public housing households are Hispanic.

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Which conforms my point that Trump's references to low income housing are racist.
How exactly is that racist?
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I am discussing low income housing, not the poor in general.

From the US Dept. of Housing and Urban development.
Forty-eight percent of public housing households are black.
10 percent of public housing households are Hispanic.

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Which conforms my point that Trump's references to low income housing are racist.
He's a racist but both of them (Trump and Biden) have made some comments that are let's say - interpretable...what I don't get is why the Dems are focusing on the "racist thing", even if it's true. Both of them try to win the hearts i.e. votes of the minorities but very clumsily and/or disingenuous if you ask me.
They should stop putting people in boxes and start talking about things that everyone wants to be debated, regardless of social class, gender, ethnicity etc.
But well, that's just my opinion. I don't really expect politicians to do something else other than throwing mud at each other.
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Old 10.08.2020, 08:07
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He's a racist but both of them (Trump and Biden) have made some comments that are let's say - interpretable...what I don't get is why the Dems are focusing on the "racist thing", even if it's true. Both of them try to win the hearts i.e. votes of the minorities but very clumsily and/or disingenuous if you ask me.
They should stop putting people in boxes and start talking about things that everyone wants to be debated, regardless of social class, gender, ethnicity etc.
But well, that's just my opinion. I don't really expect politicians to do something else other than throwing mud at each other.
The US President election campaign does run at a pretty low level, take "lock her up" as an example of meaningless mud slinging.

Sometimes it can be both childish and amusing.
Last Saturday Trump tweeted from his luxury golf club one of his usual attacks on "sleepy Joe Biden". At the same time by chance Joe was taking a bike ride which happened to be caught by Trump's favourite channel, Fox News" so demonstrating he was not sleepy versus Donny who has never been seen taking more exercise than climbing into a golf cart.

This caused someone to create a video comparing the two.
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All we seem to hear is one guy saying (screaming usually) why one shouldn’t vote for the other guy, but very little about why one should vote for him.

I’d like to hear Bidden say;

“I’m not going to tell you why you shouldn’t be voting for Mr. Trump, you already know that. I am going to tell you why you should vote for me. ...”
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All we seem to hear is one guy saying (screaming usually) why one shouldn’t vote for the other guy, but very little about why one should vote for him.

I’d like to hear Bidden say;

“I’m not going to tell you why you shouldn’t be voting for Mr. Trump, you already know that. I am going to tell you why you should vote for me. ...”
Take a look at joe's vision, no need to contribute!
I did not find anything similar from Trump.
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There is now another thread T vs. B.
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All we seem to hear is one guy saying (screaming usually) why one shouldn’t vote for the other guy, but very little about why one should vote for him.

I’d like to hear Bidden say;

“I’m not going to tell you why you shouldn’t be voting for Mr. Trump, you already know that. I am going to tell you why you should vote for me. ...”
Exactly.
"You" meaning all Americans. The rest of the world is tired of watching this country being dismantled and parcelled in the name of some superior goals. It doesn't work that way. Especially not when you have 40% of the so-called poor being actually white.
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