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There is now another thread T vs. B.
Which adds nothing new and should be merged into this one.
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Exactly.
"You" meaning all Americans. The rest of the world is tired of watching this country being dismantled and parcelled in the name of some superior goals. It doesn't work that way. Especially not when you have 40% of the so-called poor being actually white.
I saw another study which showed 60%+ of Americans would struggle to come up with $400 in an emergency. And that was pre-Covid.
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Old 10.08.2020, 09:59
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Which adds nothing new and should be merged into this one.
I'm not so sure, this thread is asking if the current president will be good, I'm pretty sure that's been answered by now.
The upcoming election is a whole different beast than just the current administration.
There's overlap for sure but I think they could be kept separate, then again what do I know?
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Old 10.08.2020, 11:36
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I think it wouldn't be fair to Biden if we just merged him to the Trump thread. Looks good to me, the way it is.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Paul Krugman’s analysis of Trump’s latest executive order (summarised)

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As the U.S. economy careens toward disaster, congressional talks about what to do appear to have ground to a halt. So on Saturday President Trump — speaking at one of his golf courses, of course — announced four executive measures that, he claimed, would rescue the recovery.

Unfortunately, one of the measures was vacuous, one trivial and one unworkable. And the fourth may do substantial harm.

The vacuous measure simply calls on government agencies to “consider” helping renters facing eviction. The trivial measure waives interest and defers principal repayment on student loans.

The unworkable measure supposedly provides new aid to the unemployed, who have lost pandemic benefits because Senate Republicans don’t want to provide them; but the announced program would be an administrative nightmare that might take a long time to put into effect and would require partial matching funds that strapped states don’t have. ...
But the really substantive measure would direct employers to stop collecting payroll taxes on behalf of their workers.

This is pretty wild stuff from a legal and constitutional point of view. Can presidents just stop collecting duly legislated taxes whenever they feel like it? But put the law to one side and ask, what’s this all about? Who thinks a payroll tax cut, even if enacted through due process, would solve any of the problems we face?

No reputable economist I know considers a payroll tax cut a good idea. Even if the money went to workers, which it almost certainly wouldn’t, it would go to precisely the wrong ones — workers who haven’t lost their jobs in the pandemic, not those who have. It wouldn’t encourage hiring, because what’s holding employers back isn’t cost, it’s the shutdown of activities with a high risk of infection (like indoor dining).
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The answer is that a payroll tax cut is the hydroxychloroquine of economic policy. It’s a quack remedy that somehow caught Trump’s eye, which he won’t give up because sycophants keep telling him he’s infallible. There may be some ulterior motives — this move might end up undermining the finances of Social Security and Medicare — but that’s all secondary. Basically this is a tantrum from a president temperamentally incapable of owning up to his own mistakes.

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Just to be clear, Trump isn’t actually cutting the payroll tax, which would require legislation. Instead, he’s just deferring its collection; workers will still owe the money a few months later. And knowing this, many if not most employers won’t increase paychecks, they’ll just put the money in escrow on workers’ behalf. As far as most workers are concerned, this whole thing may be a nonevent.

But maybe, just maybe, Trump will both win in November and find a way to retroactively cancel those tax obligations. If so, he’ll tear a big hole in the finances of Social Security and Medicare, programs that, whatever he may say, he has always wanted to kill.

The main point, however, is that we’re facing a moment of crisis. The emergency relief that sustained the U.S. economy through the coronavirus has expired, even though the pandemic is still very much with us. Unless very quick action is taken, consumer spending is about to collapse, bringing the whole economy down with it.

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At a moment of crisis America is cursed with a president who is incompetent, deeply ignorant, yet so personally insecure that he surrounds himself with people who tell him he’s a universal genius.
The NYT may be behind a paywall for you but this link might work, if you want to read the entire story. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/10/o...VSlBXi_Im5_ffQ
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Old 11.08.2020, 13:37
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

@bowlie

Thanks for the detail

I posted in another thread yesterday "Many commentators saw this as Trump provoking the Dems into legal actions which Trump could use to political gain by claiming the Dems do not care about the unemployed. Trump told reporters Friday at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J., that he expected litigation but predicted he would emerge victorious.
I added maybe the Dems would be best waiting and watching as the Trump admin sinks into chaos."

Seems the Dems have now the same idea
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Congressional Democrats are increasingly confident that two of Trump’s most controversial actions over the weekend -- his instruction to defer payroll taxes and to spend $44 billion in disaster relief funds to supplement weekly unemployment benefits -- will be unworkable, making a lawsuit unnecessary.
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Trumps executive orders are renowned for lack of necessary detail and end to end processes.
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@bowlie

Thanks for the detail

I posted in another thread yesterday "Many commentators saw this as Trump provoking the Dems into legal actions which Trump could use to political gain by claiming the Dems do not care about the unemployed. Trump told reporters Friday at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J., that he expected litigation but predicted he would emerge victorious.
I added maybe the Dems would be best waiting and watching as the Trump admin sinks into chaos."

Seems the Dems have now the same idea


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Trumps executive orders are renowned for lack of necessary detail and end to end processes.
On the plus side they talk about what they're supposed to....
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Even after almost four years I still find it hard to believe he is really the US President and not some sort of Spitting Image fantasy (for those people old enough to remember the show).

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John Bolton, one of the dumbest people I’ve met in government and sadly, I’ve met plenty, states often that I respected, and even trusted, Vladimir Putin of Russia more than those in our Intelligence Agencies.

While of course that is not true, if the first people you met from so called American Intelligence were Dirty Cops who have now proven to be sleazebags at the highest level like James Comey, proven liar James Clapper, & perhaps the lowest of them all, Wacko John Brennan who headed the CIA, you could perhaps understand my reluctance to embrace!
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Feels great to have Bolton & Larry K on board. Apr 11, 2018
His second paragraph is self contradictory.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Apparently, according to his nibs,World War 2 was ended by the 1917 pandemic. Scholars are battling to be the first to re-write history.

I suppose he could also claim that Covid-19 ended the Korean War.
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Apparently, according to his nibs,World War 2 was ended by the 1917 pandemic. Scholars are battling to be the first to re-write history.

I suppose he could also claim that Covid-19 ended the Korean War.
Still could be Covid to end the Korean War, it's not over yet! Officially anyways.
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Still could be Covid to end the Korean War, it's not over yet! Officially anyways.
Does he know that?
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Does he know that?
Seeing as he was there and met the other guy, I'd hope he'd have some recollection of it. Then again it looked like a nice playdate for him with some hand holding and smiles all around.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump tweeted this afternoon "HUGE breakthrough today! Historic Peace Agreement between our two GREAT friends, Israel and the United Arab Emirates!"

It's not a peace agreement. It's a normalization of relations between the two countries. The UAE has never been at war with Israel, so it's not possible for them to declare peace!

This is Trump trying to sound statesmanlike and implying that he has brought peace to the Middle East. And with this announcement, Palestine has just added the UAE to Israel and all the other countries on its long list of opponents.
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Trump tweeted this afternoon "HUGE breakthrough today! Historic Peace Agreement between our two GREAT friends, Israel and the United Arab Emirates!"

It's not a peace agreement. It's a normalization of relations between the two countries. The UAE has never been at war with Israel, so it's not possible for them to declare peace!

This is Trump trying to sound statesmanlike and implying that he has brought peace to the Middle East. And with this announcement, Palestine has just added the UAE to Israel and all the other countries on its long list of opponents.

You're just jealous that you can't save the Middle East problem and the shower problem on the same day.
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I seriously doubt that he had anything to do with it. More likely a neutral country.
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I seriously doubt that he had anything to do with it. More likely a neutral country.
Apparently the US did help to broker the agreement. But not Trump, obviously.
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You're just jealous that you can't save the Middle East problem and the shower problem on the same day.
Never the less, both things will be just be water under the bridge in no time.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Blocking funds for postal voting.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53772526

And here we go with the birther theory again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53774289

Does he realise he's looking more and more desperate to hang on to power when he does stuff like this?
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The **** is about to hit the fan with COhens bombshell book... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...trump-disloyal

He knows literally all of his dirty secrets. This is going to be delightfully rough.
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Blocking funds for postal voting.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53772526

And here we go with the birther theory again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53774289

Does he realise he's looking more and more desperate to hang on to power when he does stuff like this?
And no comment on;
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President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump requested mail-in ballots for Florida's primary election on Tuesday, according to Palm Beach County records, despite the President's frequent attacks on voting by mail.
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