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Blocking funds for postal voting.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53772526

And here we go with the birther theory again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53774289

Does he realise he's looking more and more desperate to hang on to power when he does stuff like this?
He does, but since people are, by and large, deaf, blind and often dumb, there's still way too many who buy into his utter foolery. He is a goddamn embarrassment.

When are people finally going to stand up. I seriously no longer understand how any of this is allowed to go on. Do they not realize how he's trying to turn the USA as the freaking (at this stage wannabe) leader of the free world into a dictatorship? Do they even understand what a democracy is supposed to be?

It's absolutely horrifying and it doesn't even matter anymore what he can realistically do or not. The seeds have been planted either way. It's easy to start a roaring fire if you have already ignited a small flame.
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According to him Absentee ballots and voting by mail are not the same thing.

Yes, I am bemused too.
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The **** is about to hit the fan with COhens bombshell book... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...trump-disloyal

He knows literally all of his dirty secrets. This is going to be delightfully rough.
They've been rehashing this argument for four years now yet it never works.
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I found this by coincidence, no idea whether it is reliable info.

I was suddenly wondering why does nobody hear from Condoleezza Rice anymore? She would be ambitious to run for presidency one would think?
I know she is Republican but can't they challenge each other?
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I'm also against postal voting as the system is so open to fraud, tampering, abuse and intimidation. Apart from for the very elderly and infirm/disabled, people should have to show up in person with ID to vote. I maybe mistaken, but I believe the electoral laws in Ireland reflect this.

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The **** is about to hit the fan with COhens bombshell book... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...trump-disloyal

He knows literally all of his dirty secrets. This is going to be delightfully rough.
I expect this book will have the same impact as every other kiss-and-tell, revealing scandalous book that has been written about President Trump to date... None whatsoever!
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I'm also against postal voting as the system is so open to fraud, tampering, abuse and intimidation. Apart from for the very elderly and infirm/disabled, people should have to show up in person with ID to vote. I maybe mistaken, but I believe the electoral laws in Ireland reflect this.

I expect this book will have the same impact as every other kiss-and-tell, revealing scandalous book that has been written about President Trump to date... None whatsoever!
Ireland? You are really grabbing at straws.

I have news for you! We are in Switzerland where postal voting is very popular; more than 80 percent of all voters prefer to place their vote in the letter box than in the ballot box.

There is no evidence here of fraud, tampering, abuse and intimidation but, nevertheless, you are intitled to your fact free opinion.

BTW, are you familiar with the Irish expression "vote early, vote often".
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I was suddenly wondering why does nobody hear from Condoleezza Rice anymore? She would be ambitious to run for presidency one would think?
I know she is Republican but can't they challenge each other?
Sure, and they do, but if they want to stand for President as a Republican, they have to win the party's nomination. There is only one nominee for each party. So the appropriate place to stand against Trump as a Republican is in the Republican primaries. One person did just that and ended up with virtually no support, leaving Trump the guaranteed nominee.
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They've been rehashing this argument for four years now yet it never works.
Really? Fox News yesterday.
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Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden is up 49-42 percent over President Donald Trump in a head-to-head matchup, according to a national Fox News survey of registered voters.
So if not this then what makes Trump so unpopular?
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So if not this then what makes Trump so unpopular?
Everyone loves to hate a winner.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

where is the winner?
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Ireland? You are really grabbing at straws.

I have news for you! We are in Switzerland where postal voting is very popular; more than 80 percent of all voters prefer to place their vote in the letter box than in the ballot box.

There is no evidence here of fraud, tampering, abuse and intimidation but, nevertheless, you are intitled to your fact free opinion.

BTW, are you familiar with the Irish expression "vote early, vote often".
Ah yes, the classic - implement a system where its hard to collect evidence of fraud, make no effort to monitor any fraud, and then proudly present the lack of evidence of fraud.

In all honesty, it probably isn't that bad here, but in London there's been real real difficulties even with on the day voting. Postal voting enables electoral abuse and takes it out of the public eye.

I was campaigning on the day of the mayoral election in Tower Hamlets in 2014 and 2015 and saw first hand the voter intimidation. crowds of Bangladeshi nationalists outside (and even inside) the polling station shouting at voters in Bangla. I've heard second hand (on the day) that women in niqabs were multiple voting (one was described as being extremely tall and wearing bright red trainers).

Postal voting enables this voter intimidation.

I've also seen (Corbynite) labour campaigners target signing newly arrived refugees or migrants (who have poor english) on council estates up to postal votes (who believe the labour campaigners worked for the local council), and tell them (in those words) they have to vote for the labour candidate.

Similarly, the corbyn wing of the labour party in 2019 paid zero attention to the rules regarding spending in the electoral period, and regarding the content of their literature.

There's a lot of very dirty politics out there.

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I think it is much higher than 80%. In our (albeit small) village they had one voter show up once, with his ballot in hand to deposit on the day. They don't even have ballots in the voting office, you are expected to bring your own. (They do have a procedure if you don't)

80% may be those that voted by mail, but most of the others dropped their ballot off at the commune. (As I do as it saves two stamps)
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I'm also against postal voting as the system is so open to fraud, tampering, abuse and intimidation...
How so? Absentee ballot envelopes in the States have to be signed by the voter, and that signature is compared to the signature on file at the election office - same as is done in Switzerland. Many states, but not all, also require at least one adult witness to sign (with full name and address) the ballot envelope, to attest that the person who is casting the ballot is actually the registered voter and not someone else.
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Sure, and they do, but if they want to stand for President as a Republican, they have to win the party's nomination. There is only one nominee for each party. So the appropriate place to stand against Trump as a Republican is in the Republican primaries. One person did just that and ended up with virtually no support, leaving Trump the guaranteed nominee.
Who? (sorry for not being up to date .... or do you mean Kanye West? )
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How so? Absentee ballot envelopes in the States have to be signed by the voter, and that signature is compared to the signature on file at the election office - same as is done in Switzerland. Many states, but not all, also require at least one adult witness to sign (with full name and address) the ballot envelope, to attest that the person who is casting the ballot is actually the registered voter and not someone else.
Given that in the US, Electoral Fraud is a felony, with all the life ruining complications that go along with being convicted of one - how many people do we think are really trying to steal a vote here and there from a dead relative (or pet as some seem to love to postulate)?
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I think it is much higher than 80%. In our (albeit small) village they had one voter show up once, with his ballot in hand to deposit on the day. They don't even have ballots in the voting office, you are expected to bring your own. (They do have a procedure if you don't)

80% may be those that voted by mail, but most of the others dropped their ballot off at the commune. (As I do as it saves two stamps)
What do you mean, they have to bring their own ballot?

Funny sentence. So most of the others are more than 80% of all? And voting by mail is free of postal charge, by the way.
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So if not this then what makes Trump so unpopular?
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Everyone loves to hate a winner.
So you believe Trump will need to demonstrate failure to win the popular vote.

Seems his 2020 chance of winning is much better than I had thought.
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In case you think the far left play by the rules. These are all photos I took on election day 2019. There's more on my old phone I could dig out. This sort of stuff went through every door on the estates. Totally illegal.
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How so? Absentee ballot envelopes in the States have to be signed by the voter, and that signature is compared to the signature on file at the election office - same as is done in Switzerland. Many states, but not all, also require at least one adult witness to sign (with full name and address) the ballot envelope, to attest that the person who is casting the ballot is actually the registered voter and not someone else.
It's just way more open to abuse than people turning up in person with ID and voting. HickvonFrick has already gone into more detail on how this happens. In the UK there's also been reports of students voting from both their home address and campus address.

The US isn't Switzerland and given the nature of the awful partisan nature of American politics at the moment then postal voting would just be open to abuse. If the people want President Trump out then it should be done so without any chance of a legal challenge after the election, and that means no postal voting. Can you imagine anything more unedifying than President Trump refusing to accept the result and squatting in the White House while the legal proceedings play out?
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Given that in the US, Electoral Fraud is a felony, with all the life ruining complications that go along with being convicted of one - how many people do we think are really trying to steal a vote here and there from a dead relative (or pet as some seem to love to postulate)?
Lots. See my photos - all of which are offenses under electoral law (ok its the UK not the US - but same principle). These weren't one off. There were thousands. Just in the one seat. Apart from the "if you voted tory you are a nonce" poster, which was only put outside the polling stations. That's just how the (far) left behave.

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