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where is the winner?
He lost the last elections?

Lot of dogs bark at his caravan but it doesn't seem to phase him.
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Lots. See my photos - all of which are offenses under electoral law (ok its the UK not the US - but same principle)
Since your poster says "voted", I'm going to guess it happened after the election, so I doubt election law covers it. Not a nice thing to post to people however, I agree.

Not really the same principle at all though, it hasn't affected the election, it isn't in the US, it isn't a felony. Apart from that, totally analogous.
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Who? (sorry for not being up to date .... or do you mean Kanye West? )
Rocky de la Fuente -- one of the so-called "perennial candidates" who pop up on ballots all over the place. He secured 0.54% of the popular vote (and no delegates) in the Republican primaries vs Trump. By the way, he is also the nominee of the Reform Party and the new Alliance Party.

There were three other (more serious) candidates who withdrew before voting started, but they remained on the ballot. One of them, Bill Weld, even managed to win one delegate. Along with his fellow Republican primary candidate Joe Walsh, he is now endorsing Joe Biden.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I am struggling to see the link to postal voting. Intimidation is clearly wrong, and possible against the law, but I don’t see it intimidating postal voters any more or less than other voters.

I would imagine that is some Swiss households the dominant adult votes for everyone in the household, just like in the days of yore the dominant male raised his Sword in the central square.

But that would be the extent of the fraud. As voting is limited, in almost all cases, to Swiss citizens, I don’t see a problem. In the US the same is true, you must be a citizen to vote.
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Old 14.08.2020, 19:05
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It's just way more open to abuse than people turning up in person with ID and voting. HickvonFrick has already gone into more detail on how this happens. In the UK there's also been reports of students voting from both their home address and campus address.

The US isn't Switzerland and given the nature of the awful partisan nature of American politics at the moment then postal voting would just be open to abuse. If the people want President Trump out then it should be done so without any chance of a legal challenge after the election, and that means no postal voting. Can you imagine anything more unedifying than President Trump refusing to accept the result and squatting in the White House while the legal proceedings play out?
Neither you nor HickvonFrick has provided actual evidence though, just more of the same talking points. There is no evidence that absentee ballots or vote by mail are "more open to fraud, tampering, abuse and intimidation." There are many checks against fraud and tampering. I can see your point a little bit on the abuse and intimidation, but even those would be a small number and not likely to swing an election.

Five states vote almost exclusively by mail (there are in-person options too but they're limited). The rest of the states have a combination. Each state determines its own mail-in voting rules, there's no federal rule. So no, there will not be widespread elimination of mail in voting this election or any other any time soon. Remember, seniors tend to vote Republican and they overwhelmingly vote by mail. Even Trump is voting by mail.

Let's be honest. Mail in voting or not, Trump will clog the court system if he doesn't win outright. He's already put in place plans to do so. Precedent from Bush v. Gore would indicate that he'd have an uphill battle trying to overturn many states or use delay tactics.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I’d like all states would agree not to release any official results until all votes are counted.

And the media should abandon exit polls as they are unlikely to be accurate.
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Postal voting enables this voter intimidation.
How so? If anything it disables it as voters will mail in their ballot whenever they please, rather than running into these types at the voting location.

That said, I'd like to know why Trump is against mail-in ballots, I've never seen his reasoning. Also, he has said multiple times that he's Ok with absentee voting by mail, he only sees problems with all voters voting by mail.

New York city held local votes a bit less than two months ago (June 23?). Some of those votes didn't get counted until late July, including the mail votes. And 20% of all votes were refused, up to 28%, most because a signature was missing. And that took place in city with a Democratic mayor, mind. Obviously you can't keep off that many voters - unless you want even more riots across the country.

Further, LA county's registered voter list is significantly bigger than its population. If the voter list determines where the ballots get sent to, there's obviously ample opportunity of voter fraud of various kinds. Someone collecting the undeliverable ballot papers, for instance, and using them to vote, can have a significant impact on the result (it seems 5 or 6 other states will send the ballot papers to all voters). The only way to bypass these kinds of risks would be to invite the voters to apply for absentee voting, but as said, I've never seen any description mentioned.

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How does the voting office get a signature to compare the one on the ballot with if there's no application? Or does the first letter simply invite to apply for the equivalent of absentee voting?

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Government watchdog finds top Trump DHS officials are ineligible for their positions

The GAO found that acting Secretary Chad Wolf and acting Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli are technically ineligible to serve based on their improper appointment.

A federal judge ruled in March that Cuccinelli had been illegally appointed to his post as acting director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), invalidating two new policies he had implemented that would make it harder for newly arrived immigrants to apply for asylum.

On Thursday, the Trump administration quietly withdrew its appeal of the judge's decision.

If the March decision is allowed to stand and the GAO's new findings go unchallenged, it could bolster dozens of lawsuits against DHS policies implemented under Wolf.

A recent lawsuit filed by protest groups in Portland alleged that DHS's response to demonstrations in the city were unlawful, in part because of the disputed appointments of Wolf and other agency officials.
Difficult to see how this will progress, probably most Court decisions will not come before the election. If Trump is not reelected then they will be fired anyway.
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How so? If anything it disables it as voters will mail in their ballot whenever they please, rather than running into these types at the voting location.
In certain communities it enables Male control over women.
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Since your poster says "voted", I'm going to guess it happened after the election, so I doubt election law covers it. Not a nice thing to post to people however, I agree.

Not really the same principle at all though, it hasn't affected the election, it isn't in the US, it isn't a felony. Apart from that, totally analogous.
It was put up overnight on the night before the election. I was only in the seat the day of the election so there's no way I'm mistaken on this point.

It's an outright attempt to bully and intimidate voters into not voting conservative. It absolutely is an felony on at least two grounds - I) not bearing an official imprint, ii) not being listed as an election expense. I'm also reasonably sure that you aren't allowed to put up literature within sight of the polling station. The message may also be illegal although I'm not sure on this point. It certainly should be.

You also aren't allowed to put up election literature on council property - which this was. Although I don't think that's a felony, I could be wrong.

The point is far too many left wing activists have very little respect for the rules of democratic conduct. We aren't taking one or two people- we are talking thousands of pieces of undeclared illegal literature just in one seat. Obviously dodgy PV practices. Messages that proport to be from different parties (I've seen one that bore the Lib Dem logo too). There's meant to be a level playing field and there isn't.

I've never seen any significant rule breaking from campaigners in either the Tory or the Liberal party in years of activism.
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...It's an outright attempt to bully and intimidate voters into not voting conservative. It absolutely is an felony on at least two grounds - I) not bearing an official imprint, ii) not being listed as an election expense. I'm also reasonably sure that you aren't allowed to put up literature within sight of the polling station. The message may also be illegal although I'm not sure on this point. It certainly should be....
There has not been such a thing as a "felony" in English law for many years.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Hvf, I’m struggling to understand how your posts relate in anyway to the expanded discussion on Trump and the Republicans.

Anecdotal observations by one individual certainly cannot be considered to be facts, particularly when the relate to British, or English, political parties.

There could be lots of explanations to explain your observations but lets not go there, further off topic.

Somehow Absentee Ballots, used by the US Military, US Expats, the Trump family and others are OK but ballots mailed in are fraught with fraud. I’m not certain there is actually any difference between the two.

Widespread fraud in US Federal elections has never been proved, nor has it even been suspected. Well except when Trump learned that Ms. Clinton had outpolled him. He even set up a commission to investigate the so-called fraud but they disbanded quite quickly when the couldn’t even get the data from the States.

If you could actually show how voting by mail could increase fraudulent voting IN THE US I would like to hear it. Otherwise irrelevant and off-topic.
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Trump-trying to reduce the postal services. The last actions of a desperate psycho!
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In case you think the far left play by the rules. These are all photos I took on election day 2019. There's more on my old phone I could dig out. This sort of stuff went through every door on the estates. Totally illegal.
Your post seems to confirm the benefits of postal voting?
You sit at home, a letter arrives, you sign the form and stick it in a post box. You do not have to visit a polling station and get exposed to extreme tactics. You can ignore any vile stuff in your letterbox that arrives after you voted.
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In certain communities it enables Male control over women.
Since you want to talk about Tower Hamlets, Tower Hamlets has 35 percent single-person households and 28 percent single-family households with children, so not much chance of male control?

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Hypocrite.

"But on Thursday, Mr Trump said he was blocking additional funding for the USPS to help with election issues, because he opposed mail-in voting."

"He has repeatedly said mail-in ballots will lead to voting fraud - and give a boost to his rival Democrat Joe Biden. Experts say the mail-in voting system - which is used by the American military and by Mr Trump himself - is safe from tampering."

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53782331

I hope Biden wins by a landslide despite Trump's efforts to interfere.
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No, lets not talk about Tower Hamlets, it has nothing to do with Trump.
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The Department of Health and Human Services chief information officer, José Arrieta, resigned unexpectedly Friday.

Arrieta and his team have been under considerable pressure inside and outside the administration, after HHS in July ordered hospitals to bypass the CDC when reporting certain coronavirus data.

Watchdog groups have complained that the transition away from the CDC has prompted new concerns about inconsistent data.

There have been reports that hospitals do not understand the new system and have problems sending the data on time.

Over 30 past and present members of the US Government Healthcare Infection Control Practices Advisory Committee have written a letter criticising the change.
It has all the hallmarks of a poorly implemented new IT system.

Benefit for Trump is likely the new case and death numbers will be under reported.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

If he is left alone to get on with it, but unfortunately he has had to deal with Covid19, BLM, Democrat accusations etc etc


I hope he gets a second term, as if they allow Joe Biden as president and Kamala Harris as VP, god help the US as it will quickly go down the pan.
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...Further, LA county's registered voter list is significantly bigger than its population. If the voter list determines where the ballots get sent to, there's obviously ample opportunity of voter fraud of various kinds. Someone collecting the undeliverable ballot papers, for instance, and using them to vote, can have a significant impact on the result (it seems 5 or 6 other states will send the ballot papers to all voters). The only way to bypass these kinds of risks would be to invite the voters to apply for absentee voting, but as said, I've never seen any description mentioned.

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How does the voting office get a signature to compare the one on the ballot with if there's no application? Or does the first letter simply invite to apply for the equivalent of absentee voting?
1 - The information about LA county is misleading. Yes, the total voter list exceeds the population. However, that's only if you count active and inactive voters. The active, eligible list is smaller than the population. You see just because a voter is inactive it doesn't mean they disappear from the list. There's a record they were there and when they voted. An inactive voter is not eligible to receive a ballot until they take action to reactivate, such as registering at their new address.

2 - There's always an application, and in the case of absentee voting, there are always two. The first application with a signature is when an individual registers to vote. The second is when the person requests an absentee ballot. This is why absentee ballots are most often processed at central counting locations - because officials need to be able to compare signatures. Most states make voters request absentee ballots for each election, so there are many papers with signatures. A few states let voters submit one application for the year and select which elections they want.

By the way, lots of groups mail absentee ballot applications to people, hoping to get more votes. The application itself isn't the ballot that gets voted. A person can submit an application for absentee ballot, but if the person is not registered to vote, no ballot is sent.

Sidenote to be clear - North Dakota does not have voter registration, but does allow voters to request absentee ballots with proof of ID and proof of residence.
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