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Old 30.09.2020, 14:58
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Meloncollie, that’s quite an assessment. When people go into self-preservation mode, moral aptitude becomes a low priority.

If Trump wins, there will be protests and violence. America’s democracy will be tested while the country becomes more divided. Those angry enough will encourage civil unrest while others will just duck their heads and hope their lives will not be affected. And, of course, Trump’s supporters will be more empowered than ever before.

I, too, hope my pessimism is wrong.
I'd flip that statement. If Trump loses, there will be civil unrest thanks to his "Good boys standing back and standing by". He will not go quietly, even if Biden wins in a landslide.

Yet it seems no one, not even Biden, has openly called Trump out on the biggest double-standard he holds. If the election is rigged, a scam, a disaster and will be a disgrace if Biden wins, how is it free and fair only if Trump wins?
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I'd flip that statement. If Trump loses, there will be civil unrest thanks to his "Good boys standing back and standing by". He will not go quietly, even if Biden wins in a landslide.

Yet it seems no one, not even Biden, has openly called Trump out on the biggest double-standard he holds. If the election is rigged, a scam, a disaster and will be a disgrace if Biden wins, how is it free and fair only if Trump wins?
I concur. I fear there will be violence if Trump does not win - the only question is how bad it will be. Even a landslide Biden victory will not stop it.

From the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/09...gtype=Homepage

President Trump used his biggest television audience of the campaign to try to undermine confidence in the integrity of the election as no modern president has ever done, using the debate to urge his supporters “to go into the polls and watch very carefully” and continuing to suggest, despite no evidence of widespread problems, that the vote would be “fraudulent.”

The barrage of accusations from a president who is behind in the polls — and who refused, when asked by the moderator, Chris Wallace, to say whether he would pledge not to declare victory until the election was independently certified or urge his supporters to stay calm after the election — alarmed scholars who study election monitoring around the world, who said the comments laid the groundwork for political violence.


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This is not a game. This is not an academic thought exercise. I wish those without a stake in the future of the country would stop pretending it's all for the lulz.
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Old 30.09.2020, 21:17
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I'd flip that statement. If Trump loses, there will be civil unrest thanks to his "Good boys standing back and standing by". He will not go quietly, even if Biden wins in a landslide.

Yet it seems no one, not even Biden, has openly called Trump out on the biggest double-standard he holds. If the election is rigged, a scam, a disaster and will be a disgrace if Biden wins, how is it free and fair only if Trump wins?
Yeah, really. It is a shame that Biden hasn't called him out on that. I won't be surprised if Biden takes a more hardcore approach in the second debate, on Oct. 15th. But who knows... I think he's also trying to keep his cool, and I respect him for that, especially since Trump is clearly doing his best to try to rattle him.

I think Trump can't bear the thought of losing, so he's trying to set the stage in advance with "I win, no matter what." He's already expressed that he will refuse to transfer power peacefully -- if at all (which is absolutely mind-blowing to realize that a US President has implied that). He has also already been trying to instill in his supporters' minds that if he loses the election, it's due to voter fraud and mail-in-ballots rather than being due to his own incompetence.

I wonder what the GOP would have been saying if Obama had suggested or expressed that he would refuse a peaceful transfer of power or implied that a militia should form in order to keep him in office. There seems to be a very fine line, at this point, between Trump being a President and Trump being a dictator.

Edit: Sorry, I was typing this and then posted it before seeing Meloncollie's post above. So I apologize if it seems like I'm just kind of repeating what she had said.
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Old 30.09.2020, 21:27
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

As I posted elsewhere, Trump may well encourage civil disobedience if he loses the election.
But that will not change the election result, there may well be some weeks or months of violence that will be very uncomfortable but will not actually change anything.
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Old 30.09.2020, 21:31
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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A federal judge on Wednesday ordered the Department of Justice to publish information redacted from the Mueller report that had been designated as privileged.

District Court Judge Reggie Walton said that the Trump administration had failed to justify certain redactions from the report on the special counsel's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

The specific redactions he took issue with cover the decision-making process within Robert Mueller's team over whether to charge certain people with crimes during the probe.
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And while you are at it please prove that freshly fallen snow is always white.
Exactly, thank you!
I would have sworn you're far to biased to ever support any of my posts!
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

From The New York Times:

Study Finds ‘Single Largest Driver’ of Coronavirus Misinformation: Trump

Cornell University researchers analyzing 38 million English-language articles about the pandemic found that President Trump was the largest driver of the “infodemic.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/u...?smid=em-share

I think this gets you to the article despite the paywall.
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As I posted elsewhere, Trump may well encourage civil disobedience if he loses the election.
But that will not change the election result, there may well be some weeks or months of violence that will be very uncomfortable but will not actually change anything.

I hope, nay, ferverenty pray, that this is true.

Yet again and again we have seen that Trump, McConnell and Barr have so weakened our institutions that I fear they will not be able to withstand post election civil unrest.

I fear that things will get a lot worse than 'uncomfortable'. Trump's shout-out to the Proud Boys has guaranteed that.

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Trump has the SC in his pocket with Coney Barrett. He now has the wherewithall stop the ballot count. He has already said he will do so.

Trump's aim is to create so much disorder that the election results in swing states cannot be certified by the deadline, tossing the nomination of electors back to state legislators - which in these states are Republican-majority. Even if Biden were to clearly win the popular vote in one of those states, and thus theoretically the electoral delegates, Trump has set the stage to make an end run around the results.

We are indeed on the brink of a constitutional crisis. And so far our consititution has fallen at every attempt to stand up to a president who believes he is above the law.

Who today is willing, and able, to enforce the law? Terrifyingly, that is a question we need to consider.

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This article in the Atlantic lays out the things that Trump might do. He has already said that he will not accept the election results if he loses.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...oncede/616424/

Cue the Maya Angelou quote that seems to be everywhere these days: "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."
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Old 01.10.2020, 12:18
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

In the event of a contested election result, even with delayed counting or whatever upheaval there is, doesn't the presidency go to the senate leader or something in the interim? The term of the President and VP end on the 20th of January, so in the event of a contest does it shift to the speaker of the house?
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In the event of a contested election result, even with delayed counting or whatever upheaval there is, doesn't the presidency go to the senate leader or something in the interim? The term of the President and VP end on the 20th of January, so in the event of a contest does it shift to the speaker of the house?
Yes it does, for the interim.

And surprise, surprise, House GOP conservatives are pushing for a 'motion to vacate the Speaker's chair,' in order to remove Nancy Pelosi.

It's a long shot, but shows how far the GOP has gone.
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Old 01.10.2020, 16:08
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I hope, nay, ferverenty pray, that this is true.

Yet again and again we have seen that Trump, McConnell and Barr have so weakened our institutions that I fear they will not be able to withstand post election civil unrest.

I fear that things will get a lot worse than 'uncomfortable'. Trump's shout-out to the Proud Boys has guaranteed that.

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Trump has the SC in his pocket with Coney Barrett. He now has the wherewithall stop the ballot count. He has already said he will do so.

Trump's aim is to create so much disorder that the election results in swing states cannot be certified by the deadline, tossing the nomination of electors back to state legislators - which in these states are Republican-majority. Even if Biden were to clearly win the popular vote in one of those states, and thus theoretically the electoral delegates, Trump has set the stage to make an end run around the results.

We are indeed on the brink of a constitutional crisis. And so far our consititution has fallen at every attempt to stand up to a president who believes he is above the law.

Who today is willing, and able, to enforce the law? Terrifyingly, that is a question we need to consider.

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This article in the Atlantic lays out the things that Trump might do. He has already said that he will not accept the election results if he loses.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...oncede/616424/

Cue the Maya Angelou quote that seems to be everywhere these days: "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."
So far the SC has not demonstrated it is in Trump's pocket, usually, it takes a year or more for cases to reach the SC so it depends how much they are
prepared to bend over for Trump.

If the Dems gain a Senate majority then they could have a better chance of a successful impeachment.
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Old 01.10.2020, 16:13
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And surprise, surprise, House GOP conservatives are pushing for a 'motion to vacate the Speaker's chair,' in order to remove Nancy Pelosi.
A very good idea.

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Old 01.10.2020, 21:38
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump's view of life is that rules are for other people
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A federal judge Thursday determined that a law enforcement commission ordered by President Trump violated federal rules on open meetings and that the panel must stop all work until it complies with the law.

The judge noted that this violated the Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA), which mandates that meetings of federal “advisory committees” “must be open to the public,” “must make its records and drafts publicly available” and “must give notice of any meetings in the Federal Register at least fifteen days before the meeting is held.

AG Barr established the commission in January with a stated goal to “conduct a modern fresh evaluation of the salient issues affecting American law enforcement and the communities they protect”
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A very good idea.

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Why?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I can't stand American football, but I found this interesting...

During the debate the other night, Trump bragged about "opening up Football again." And in today's headlines... The first game of the season has been pushed back due to more of its players having tested positive for COVID.

NFL postpones first game amid pandemic
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...tests-n1241571


"The Pittsburgh Steelers-Tennessee Titans game set for Nashville early next week has now been pushed back to later this season over coronavirus fears, officials said Thursday.

The game, originally set for Sunday, was postponed with hopes to play it on Monday or Tuesday after several Titans tested positive for the virus, the NFL said Wednesday.

But after learning on Thursday that another player and team employee had tested positive, the league decided to take the Steelers-Titans off the Week 4 schedule. A reschedule date wasn't immediately set."
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump went outside his hospital yesterday in his vehicle to greet supporters.
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"That Presidential SUV is not only bulletproof, but hermetically sealed against chemical attack. The risk of COVID19 transmission inside is as high as it gets outside of medical procedures. The irresponsibility is astounding.
My thoughts are with the Secret Service forced to play," tweeted James Phillips, who is also the chief of disaster medicine at the George Washington University Department of Emergency Medicine.

"Every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary Presidential 'drive-by' just now has to be quarantined for 14 days.
They might get sick.
They may die.
For political theater. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater. This is insanity," he continued.
Trump' doctor said Trump might return to the White House today putting more Secret Service and pilots to unecessary risk.
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Trump went outside his hospital yesterday in his vehicle to greet supporters.

Trump' doctor said Trump might return to the White House today putting more Secret Service and pilots to unecessary risk.
You know the feeling when your holidays are coming to an end so you try and eke out as much time and value on the beach as possible and abuse the hotel buffet, knowing you'll probably never be back? I think this is how Trump feels about the whitehouse.
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Trump went outside his hospital yesterday in his vehicle to greet supporters.


Trump Adds 'Black Lives Matter' Sticker To SUV So Media Can't Claim He's Spreading COVID
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you know the feeling when your holidays are coming to an end so you try and eke out as much time and value on the beach as possible and abuse the hotel buffet, knowing you'll probably never be back? I think this is how trump feels about the whitehouse.
lol!
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president trump's physician dr. Sean conley said the president's evaluations and clinical status supports his return home.

"though he may not be entirely out of the woods yet, the team and i agree that all his evaluations, and most importantly, his clinical status support his return home where he'll be surrounded by world-class medical care 24/7," he said.
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Pity we all can’t have world-class medical care at home 24/7, all paid by (other) taxpayers.
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