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Old 08.10.2020, 23:08
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I'm just lost for words about this.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54470427
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According to a sworn FBI affidavit, an undercover law enforcement source attended a June meeting in Dublin, Ohio, where a group of Michigan-based militia members discussed overthrowing state governments "that they believed were violating the US Constitution".

It would be interesting to know what role the source played in this plot?

Maybe the plan actually came from the source?


All those terror-plots, seemingly foiled at the last minute - I have a hard time believing the official stories anymore.
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Old 08.10.2020, 23:14
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It would be interesting to know what role the source played in this plot?

Maybe the plan actually came from the source?


All those terror-plots, seemingly foiled at the last minute - I have a hard time believing the official stories anymore.
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Old 08.10.2020, 23:21
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You do realize that the FBI has a history of infiltrating all kinds of groups?

In the 60s, they infiltrated Civil Rights Movement groups, these days it's all kinds of "terrorists" groups.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/...igious-groups/


Sometimes, they even investigate themselves:

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/...th-terrorists/
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Old 08.10.2020, 23:27
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You do realize that the FBI has a history of infiltrating all kinds of groups?

In the 60s, they infiltrated Civil Rights Movement groups, these days it's all kinds of "terrorists" groups.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/...igious-groups/


Sometimes, they even investigate themselves:

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/...th-terrorists/
Not quite. I do realize that a bunch of gun-toting right-wing assholes are charged with attempted kidnapping of an elected official.
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Old 08.10.2020, 23:32
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Not quite. I do realize that a bunch of gun-toting right-wing assholes are charged with attempted kidnapping of an elected official.
That is undeniable.

However, my guess is that nobody will get their day in court for this and the details of the contributions of this informant to the plan will be hidden behind a plea bargain because who wants to go to Gitmo for what is essentially a stupid idea over a few beers?

But hey, whatever it takes to stop a few hillbillies from more inbreeding, right?
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Old 08.10.2020, 23:35
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That is undeniable.

However, my guess is that nobody will get their day in court for this and the details of the contributions of this informant to the plan will be hidden behind a plea bargain because who wants to go to Gitmo for what is essentially a stupid idea over a few beers?

But hey, whatever it takes to stop a few hillbillies from more inbreeding, right?
Possible. Let's see what the Trump DOJ "law and order" talk is worth here.
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You do realize that the FBI has a history of infiltrating all kinds of groups?

In the 60s, they infiltrated Civil Rights Movement groups, these days it's all kinds of "terrorists" groups.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/...igious-groups/


Sometimes, they even investigate themselves:

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/...th-terrorists/
And do you realize that when the FBI infiltrates a group, it's usually because they're trying to understand what that group is doing and planning exactly, and then to try to stop them?

Don't let a conspiracy theory mindset erode your ability to see clearly.

Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the one that requires the smallest number of assumptions is usually correct. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation.
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Then who infected her
Given they both appear to have shown symptoms at the same time chances are they were both infected by the same 3rd party individual and not each other. Probably at that Rose Garden event.
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Old 09.10.2020, 09:26
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And do you realize that when the FBI infiltrates a group, it's usually because they're trying to understand what that group is doing and planning exactly, and then to try to stop them?

Don't let a conspiracy theory mindset erode your ability to see clearly.

Where would be the fun in that?


That said, how do you define "stop them?" Did the source (that was unquestionably also part of the plot - how and why else would (s)he be privy to the details then?) trying to talk them out of it or was (s)he actively encouraging them?


In Quantum Theory, you cannot watch a particle without influencing its state. Likewise, I doubt you can be part of a plot and just be a bystander.


This is not a new problem. Undercover agents (and their handlers) face this dilemma all the time. And as the Intercept article mentions, there's a whole handbook with rules to follow...but as soon as the label "terrorist" can be applied, the gloves are off and a lot of rules do no longer apply.
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Given they both appear to have shown symptoms at the same time chances are they were both infected by the same 3rd party individual and not each other. Probably at that Rose Garden event.
We do not know when they showed symptoms, we only know when they chose to admit to positive tests.

Meanwhile crazy Donny says he plans his first campaign rally on Saturday in Florida
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We do not know when they showed symptoms, we only know when they chose to admit to positive tests.
Why I wrote "appear to". Still more believable they got it from a third party than each other.
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Let's say he knows more than we do and lives to 140 years or older: Can he run for president again?
Only if he loses the 2020 election, or wins it and abolishes the two-term limit (Constitutional change).

Or he could avoid running for president ever again by simply declaring himself President for Life.

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Given the way he has treated the Secret Service their isn’t any doubt they would escort the loser to the nearest state border on the appropriate date, and welcome an old friend back to the WH.
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Bad news for Trump: no Nobel Prize for Peace.
Perhaps he will receive the Nobel Prize for Literature for his work on Twitter next year?
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Bad news for Trump: no Nobel Prize for Peace.
Perhaps he will receive the Nobel Prize for Literature for his work on Twitter next year?
Aka his Twitter writers' team.
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....Perhaps he will receive the Nobel Prize for Literature for his work on Twitter next year?
That might be 99% fiction but I'm pretty sure it doesn't qualify as literature.
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Aka his Twitter writers' team.
Trump getting credit for works written by others? What a preposterous idea.
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Trump's chaotic world.

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Nancy Pelosi is asking for $2.4 Trillion Dollars to bailout poorly run, high crime, Democrat States, money that is in no way related to COVID-19.
We made a very generous offer of $1.6 Trillion Dollars and, as usual, she is not negotiating in good faith.
I am rejecting their request, and looking to the future of our Country.
I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when, immediately after I win, we will pass a major Stimulus Bill that focuses on hardworking Americans and Small Business.
I have asked...

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Trumps is mentally ill and always was, it's just now becoming even more exacerbated and too apparent for even the most die-hard of supporters and apologists within the media and government to now ignore.
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Trumps is mentally ill and always was, it's just now becoming even more exacerbated and too apparent for even the most die-hard of supporters and apologists within the media and government to now ignore.
You over-estimate his support I'm afraid.
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