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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I don't think Biden is "the messiah incarnate," and I don't know of any liberals who do. I think many of America's biggest problems run deeper than anything that he would really be capable of repairing, because that would essentially require a complete overhaul of American culture and the "me, me, me" mentality that is so deeply embedded within it.
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Nah, he's got lots of flaws. Bit too risk averse. Of course, he probably recognises he's part of the problem. Is it possible to try to rectify those problems or is it all so black and white.

Anyway, once he's into office, the MSM will be not be so full of praise.It's the American way.
Of course remedy is possible. But after five decades of politics the skeletons in his closet are probably far too numerous. Moreover, in order to be credible the remedy would have to have come before the respective topic became frontpage-worthy, and involve some form of "mea culpa".

The MSM will touch him with velvet gloves only. With a VP who's member of multiple groups that must not be criticised he's close to being immune himself. This has been the case for a long time already, before he chose Harris, otherwise the MSM would have dragged the skeletons out of the closet long ago.
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I don't think Biden is "the messiah incarnate," and I don't know of any liberals who do. I think many of America's biggest problems run deeper than anything that he would really be capable of repairing, because that would essentially require a complete overhaul of American culture and the "me, me, me" mentality that is so deeply embedded within it.
I do not know if he would really be capable of repairing but I am very hopeful he will not make it worse, unlike the present incumbent.
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Of course remedy is possible. But after five decades of politics the skeletons in his closet are probably far too numerous. Moreover, in order to be credible the remedy would have to have come before the respective topic became frontpage-worthy, and involve some form of "mea culpa".

The MSM will touch him with velvet gloves only. With a VP who's member of multiple groups that must not be criticised he's close to being immune himself. This has been the case for a long time already, before he chose Harris, otherwise the MSM would have dragged the skeletons out of the closet long ago.
I would be surprised if MSM is that gentle going forward. Guess we have to wait and see.
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Yep. Trump granted $2 billion for doses of the vaccine, but it was Germany that funded its development.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/22/u...s-vaccine.html

BioNTech, CureVac bag $745M in German funding for COVID-19 vaccine hopefuls
https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufac...ccine-hopefuls
The U.S. ranks 32nd in per-capita vaccine reservations. It is behind UK, Canada, Australia and the 27 European Union countries that banded together to pre-order vaccines in larger quantities, and sandwiched between Chile and Japan in 31st and 33rd, respectively, according to Bloomberg’s analysis.
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I do not know if he would really be capable of repairing but I am very hopeful he will not make it worse, unlike the present incumbent.
Exactly.

I think Trump will do his best, though, to try to maintain some sense of power via his "fan base" over the next four years, via his Twitter account, etc., by constantly trying to demonize the left, because he's clearly addicted to the sense of validation he receives from his "fan base" and is clearly not able to emotionally handle the idea of losing the power he has had over the last four years. But hopefully his name will increasingly begin to fade from the headlines. He also appears to be doing a fine job of pushing more and more Republicans away in his continuous attempts to try to demonize any Republican that does not support his election fraud claims.

Another thing that I do appreciate about Biden is that he seems to be good at ignoring Trump's bull___. I hope the press will eventually do the same.
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I'd say Kamala Harris did very well with her campaign....she's now Vice President.
The NYTimes did a very good analysis regarding Harris' bid for the Presidential nomination. In short, she was not appointed as VP based on her presidential bid as she ran a campaign that was rife with issues...

Here is the article regarding her Presidential run (I will copy and paste as it is behind a pay wall) Sorry in advance for the length but the article is worth the read...

Jonathan MartinAstead W. HerndonAlexander Burns
By Jonathan Martin, Astead W. Herndon and Alexander Burns
Published Nov. 29, 2019
Updated Aug. 11, 2020
WASHINGTON — In early November, a few days after Senator Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign announced widespread layoffs and an intensified focus on Iowa, her senior aides gathered for a staff meeting at their Baltimore headquarters and pelted the campaign manager, Juan Rodriguez, with questions.
UPDATEKamala Harris has dropped out of the 2020 race.
What exactly was Ms. Harris’s new strategy? How much money and manpower could they put into Iowa? What would their presence be like in other early voting states?

Mr. Rodriguez offered general, tentative answers that didn’t satisfy the room, according to two campaign officials directly familiar with the conversation. Some Harris aides sitting at the table could barely suppress their fury about what they saw as the undoing of a once-promising campaign. Their feelings were reflected days later by Kelly Mehlenbacher, the state operations director, in a blistering resignation letter obtained by The Times.
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“This is my third presidential campaign and I have never seen an organization treat its staff so poorly,” Ms. Mehlenbacher wrote, assailing Mr. Rodriguez and Ms. Harris’s sister, Maya, the campaign chairwoman, for laying off aides with no notice. “With less than 90 days until Iowa we still do not have a real plan to win.”

The 2020 Democratic field has been defined by its turbulence, with some contenders rising, others dropping out and two more jumping in just this month. Yet there is only one candidate who rocketed to the top tier and then plummeted in early state polls to the low single digits: Ms. Harris.
Kelly Mehlenbacher’s Resignation Letter
The state operations director for Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign wrote this resignation letter earlier this month. (PDF, 1 page, 0.31 MB)
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From those polling results to Ms. Harris’s campaign operation, fund-raising and debate performances, it has been a remarkable comedown for a senator from the country’s largest state, a politician with star power who was compared to President Obama even before Californians elected her to the Senate in 2016.

Yet, even to some Harris allies, her decline is more predictable than surprising. In one instance after another, Ms. Harris and her closest advisers made flawed decisions about which states to focus on, issues to emphasize and opponents to target, all the while refusing to make difficult personnel choices to impose order on an unwieldy campaign, according to more than 50 current and former campaign staff members and allies, most of whom spoke on condition of anonymity to disclose private conversations and assessments involving the candidate.
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Many of her own advisers are now pointing a finger directly at Ms. Harris. In interviews several of them criticized her for going on the offensive against rivals, only to retreat, and for not firmly choosing a side in the party’s ideological feud between liberals and moderates. She also created an organization with a campaign chairwoman, Maya Harris, who goes unchallenged in part because she is Ms. Harris’s sister, and a manager, Mr. Rodriguez, who could not be replaced without likely triggering the resignations of the candidate’s consulting team. Even at this late date, aides said it’s unclear who’s in charge of the campaign.

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The field of Democratic presidential candidates has been historically large, but all have dropped out except Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee to challenge President Trump.

With just over two months until the Iowa caucuses, her staff is now riven between competing factions eager to belittle one another, and the candidate’s relationship with Mr. Rodriguez has turned frosty, according to multiple Democrats close to Ms. Harris. Several aides, including Jalisa Washington-Price, the state director in crucial South Carolina, have already had conversations about post-campaign jobs.

Representative Marcia Fudge, who has endorsed Ms. Harris and is a former chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said in an interview that the senator was an exceptional candidate who had been poorly served by some top staff and who must fire Mr. Rodriguez. But she also acknowledged that Ms. Harris bore a measure of responsibility for her problems — “it’s her campaign” — and that the structure she created has not served her well.

“I have told her there needs to be a change,” said Ms. Fudge, one of several women of color who have been delivering hard-to-hear advice to Ms. Harris in recent weeks. “The weakness is at the top. And it’s clearly Juan. He needs to take responsibility — that’s where the buck stops.”

Ms. Harris declined an interview request for this article.

Mr. Rodriguez, in a statement, said: “Our team, from the candidate to organizers across the country, are working day in and out to make sure Kamala is the nominee to take on Donald Trump and end the national nightmare that is his presidency. Just like every campaign, we have made tough decisions to have the resources we need to place in Iowa and springboard into the rest of the primary calendar.”

Ms. Harris is reluctant to make a leadership change within her campaign so late in the race, some aides say, but they describe her as cleareyed about the mistakes she has made and the difficulty of her task ahead. They say she has bought into focusing on Iowa, where her campaign has structured more one-on-one settings for her to woo supporters or at least enjoy herself in otherwise difficult days.
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But her troubles go beyond staffing and strategy: Her financial predicament is dire. The campaign has not taken a poll or been able to afford TV advertising since September, and it has all but quit buying Facebook ads in the last two months. Her advisers, after months of resistance, have only now signaled their desire for a group of former aides to begin a super PAC to finance an independent political effort on her behalf.

To some Democrats who know Ms. Harris, her struggles indicate larger limitations.

“You can’t run the country if you can’t run your campaign,” said Gil Duran, a former aide to Ms. Harris and other California Democrats who’s now the editorial page editor of the Sacramento Bee.

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Ms. Harris at a rally in Davenport, Iowa, in August.Credit...Maddie McGarvey for The New York Times
Some of her problems have been beyond her control. Health care policy and the identity of the Democratic Party became much-debated issues this year, but she had never given the details of either matter extensive thought as she rose from local prosecutor to California attorney general to the Senate. And her supporters believe that as a black woman, Ms. Harris has run into difficulty with some voters over one of the defining issues of the race: assumptions about who can and cannot defeat President Trump.

Ms. Harris is now attempting a pivot, taking a less scripted approach to campaigning. On a conference call with donors after the last debate in mid-November, Jim Margolis, a senior campaign adviser, pointed to her improved performance as a case study in letting “Kamala be Kamala,” according to one person who participated in the call — a reference to Ms. Harris’s strengths when she is listening to her competitors’ comments and reacting freely.

It was her abundant political skills — strong on the stump, a warm manner with voters and ferocity with the opposition that seemed to spell trouble for Mr. Trump — that convinced many Democrats of Ms. Harris’s potential.

Yet it has come to this: After beginning her candidacy with a speech before 20,000 people in Oakland, some of Ms. Harris’s longtime supporters believe she should consider dropping out in late December — the deadline for taking her name off the California primary ballot — if she does not show political momentum. Some advisers are already bracing for a primary challenge, potentially from the billionaire Tom Steyer, should she run for re-election to the Senate in 2022. Her senior aides plan to assess next month whether she’s made sufficient progress to remain in the race.
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“For her to lose California would be really hard and it’s not looking good,” said Susie Buell, a longtime Harris donor from the Bay Area.

A team of rivals with no clear message

The fact that Ms. Harris is now banking on an Iowa-or-bust strategy highlights a major strategic miscalculation early on that set her off on the wrong track.

When she entered the race in January, she bet that the early voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire would matter less to her political fortunes than South Carolina, with its predominantly black Democratic electorate. In this view, a strong showing in South Carolina, which votes fourth, would vault her into racially diverse Super Tuesday states like California that would propel her candidacy.

So for much of the year, she focused on competing against Joseph R. Biden Jr. in South Carolina and beyond. What her campaign did not anticipate was that Mr. Biden would remain strong with many black voters, and that Senator Elizabeth Warren and Mayor Pete Buttigieg would rise as threats in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Then there was Ms. Harris’s campaign message. Extensive polling led her to believe that there was great value in the word “truth,” so she titled her 2019 memoir “The Truths We Hold” and made a similar phrase the centerpiece of her early stump speech: “Let’s speak truth.” But she dropped the saying out of a belief that voters wanted something less gauzy.

Her assumptions about the issues that would inspire Democrats were also muddled: she began running on a tax cut aimed at lower- and middle-income voters and then turned to a pay raise for teachers.

But those proposals also did little to animate voters, especially those riveted by the ambitious policies of Ms. Warren and Senator Bernie Sanders, and before long Ms. Harris was downplaying what were her signature proposals.
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For a time, she sought to highlight a pragmatic agenda, about matters she said voters thought about while lying awake at 3 a.m. Today, her aides are given to gallows humor about just how many slogans and one-liners she has cycled through, with one recalling how “‘speak truth’ spring” gave way to “‘3 a.m.’ summer” before the current, Trump-focused “‘justice’ winter.”

From the start, the campaign structure seemed ripe for conflict. Ms. Harris divided her campaign between two coasts, basing her operation in Baltimore but retaining some key advisers in the Bay Area. She bifurcated the leadership between two decidedly different loyalists: her sister, the chair, and Mr. Rodriguez, a trusted lieutenant who had managed her 2016 Senate campaign. Mr. Rodriguez was a central figure at the San Francisco-based consulting firm, SCRB, that had helped direct Ms. Harris’s rise for a decade; all of the firm’s partners were lined up to advise the presidential race.

The two camps were soon competing, each stocked with people who shared a tight bond with Ms. Harris but who regarded each other with suspicion or worse. The setup cost Ms. Harris opportunities to recruit some of her party’s most sought-after outside strategists and left her reliant on a team less experienced in national politics than in California, an overwhelmingly blue state where campaigns often turn on factional infighting within the Democratic Party.

Dan Sena, a former executive director of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, met early with Ms. Harris’s team and came away concerned that they were overly reliant on political thinking shaped in California’s idiosyncratic political system.

“Winning in California requires a different road map, between a top-two candidate system and the expensive TV markets,” Mr. Sena said. “When it comes to winning there is a right way, the wrong way and the California way.”

It was not only political tactics that divided the campaign: In the spring, Maya Harris and the consulting team were at war over whether the senator should embrace or downplay her record as a prosecutor, which some on the left have criticized, a dilemma the campaign has never resolved.
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One campaign strategist said it was impossible to tell if Maya Harris was speaking for herself, as an adviser, or as her sister’s representative. She has exercised broad influence over even logistical details of the campaign, like the scheduling of fund-raising events, and over hiring. The uncertainty over who has final signoff has made it more difficult for the campaign to quickly execute decisions and Maya Harris's dual roles as relative and adviser prompted the candidate’s staff to be more restrained about the advice they offer.

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Ms. Harris speaks with her sister, Maya Harris, her campaign chairwoman, at an Iowa picnic in July.Credit...Hilary Swift for The New York Times
There are also generational fissures. One adviser said the fixation that some younger staffers have with liberals on Twitter distorted their view of what issues and moments truly mattered, joking that it was not President Trump’s account that should be taken offline, as Ms. Harris has urged, but rather those of their own trigger-happy communications team.

In Baltimore, though, the consensus is that the fault lies with Mr. Rodriguez.

Messages from bookkeepers warning of financial strain went unheeded, according to his critics, until cutbacks were inevitable.

When those cuts arrived, Ms. Harris and other members of the senior staff were enraged because they did not know the extent of the layoffs until after they happened. Some aides were informed about the mass firing of New Hampshire staff from junior aides and members of the press rather than Mr. Rodriguez. Ms. Harris called him, infuriated.

Advisers close to Mr. Rodriguez said the cash flow problems were so intense he had to move swiftly and denied he ever disregarded financial warnings. They argued that the animus toward him, first reported by Politico, stems from the raw emotions of staffers seeing their colleagues pushed out.

Some of Ms. Harris’s aides said she had better instincts than her brain trust. One official recalled that during the flight from Oakland to Iowa on the night she announced her campaign in January, Ms. Harris told senior members of her campaign team that she wanted to “go stealth.” However, instead of pursuing retail politics and introducing herself to voters in more intimate settings, as Ms. Harris suggested she preferred, her senior aides determined it was more important to cement herself in the top tier and play for “big, television moments,” as one put it.

“If you go big like that, you’ll never get a real understanding of the American people,” said Minyon Moore, a former senior adviser to Hillary Clinton and a longtime admirer of Ms. Harris. “Because we don’t live up there.”
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Supporters of Ms. Harris turned out to see her at a steak fry in Des Moines in September.Credit...Hilary Swift for The New York Times
‘She lost me today’

The organizational unsteadiness of Ms. Harris’s campaign reflects a longtime personal trait, according to allies: she is a candidate who seeks input from a stable of advisers, but her personal political convictions can be unclear.

In June, her gifts and liabilities were both on display. She scored the campaign’s biggest debate moment in her confrontation with Mr. Biden over his record on school busing — but also stepped into a morass of hazy talk on health care and the current desegregation of schools.

“I’m cool with the T-shirts, but you also have to have a strategy,” said Bakari Sellers, a former lawmaker in South Carolina and one of Ms. Harris’s top surrogates there, referring to the merchandise Ms. Harris’s campaign had marketed after that first debate.

On criminal justice, one of Ms. Harris’s calling cards, she did not unveil her own proposals until months after she began meeting with activists. Ms. Harris said she was being deliberate, but several aides familiar with the process said she was knocked off kilter by criticism from progressives and spent months torn between embracing her prosecutor record and acknowledging some faults.

At times, she avoided the topic, even initially rejecting her current campaign slogan, “Justice Is On The Ballot,” when it was presented to her earlier in the summer. At one point during the preparations, tensions flared so high that one senior aide pleaded with the candidate to provide some direction. “You know this stuff better than us!” the aide said, according to those present.

It was hardly the only time Ms. Harris has appeared uneasy or indecisive about whether to go on the offensive. In the July debate, Ms. Harris did not respond sharply to an attack on her prosecutorial record from Representative Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, even after Ms. Harris had been prepped for the topic.
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On a conference call after the debate, several of Ms. Harris’s donors were alarmed and urged the campaign to strike back at Ms. Gabbard more aggressively, two people on the call said.

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Many advisers to Ms. Harris point to the July Democratic debate, and her weak response to an attack by Representative Tulsi Gabbard, right, as accelerating Ms. Harris’s decline as a candidate.Credit...Brittainy Newman/The New York Times
Ms. Harris also knew her response had been insufficient, a view quickly reinforced by her advisers. In interviews, many of them point to that debate moment as accelerating Ms. Harris’s decline and are so exasperated that they bluntly acknowledge in private that Ms. Harris struggles to carry a message beyond the initial script.

What she does seem more comfortable with, on the campaign trail and at the November debate, is making the case against Mr. Trump, which is now her core campaign message. After months of uncertainty, she’s back to embracing her role as a prosecutor.

“She should lean into it,” said the radio host Charlamagne tha God, who has campaigned with Ms. Harris in his native South Carolina. “She should say, ‘I’m a prosecutor and Donald Trump is a criminal and I’m going to lock his ass up.’”

The question is whether it’s too late.

Two women arrived at a recent event Ms. Harris held in Mason City, Iowa, torn between supporting her or Mr. Buttigieg, who has emerged as a front-runner in the state.

They were left so dissatisfied, they said, that they now are backing Mr. Buttigieg.

Laurie Davis, one of the voters, said Ms. Harris’s lack of policy specifics in her remarks was disappointing. Asked when she realized she wouldn’t be voting for Ms. Harris, she paused.
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“You can’t run the country if you can’t run your campaign,” said Gil Duran, a former aide to Ms. Harris and other California Democrats who’s now the editorial page editor of the Sacramento Bee.


To me, that is the most salient takeaway from the article I posted.
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What does that say about constantly posting in the wrong thread?

I didn’t read any of it.
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White House revolving door.
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President Trump announced Barr's decision on Twitter after a meeting with him at the White House, saying that the two had a "very good" relationship and praising Barr for doing an "outstanding job." Trump had sharply criticized Barr in recent days, prompting talk that he could be fired.

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Bill should never have said there was no major election fraud....
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Bill should never have said there was no major election fraud....
Disagree, he did the right thing. Took the wind out of some sails. He may have lost a month’s salary but he did the right thing.
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“You can’t run the country if you can’t run your campaign,” said Gil Duran, a former aide to Ms. Harris and other California Democrats who’s now the editorial page editor of the Sacramento Bee.


To me, that is the most salient takeaway from the article I posted.
But let's all remember, you're definitely not pro-Trump, not anti-Democrat, absolutely apolitical, and not feeling very hurt by Trump's crushing defeat.
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'Man of the Year' is a load of crap.

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Ah, a deliberate malapropism, then... nice save!
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And thus Kamala in through the back door!

So much for democracy.

Well, at least she can legitimately claim to be Indian, unlike Warren.

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Some do, some don’t. More and more are referring to themselves as first nations. Taking their clue from those other Americans living in Canada.
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Most actually refer to themselves as Lakota, Navajo, Shoshone etc. and not as whatever term the woke people currently consider appropriate.
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... You know, one of those billion+ people... or is there now a woke term for them too?
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You do realize that one can critizise Biden, Harris or the whole democratic party without being anything you described above.

I haven't followed terrifischs posting history here but I doubt that she (right?) can be described with those attributes.

It would be sad for any political party if it's member fear to voice any critisism because then they would be considered a traitor or anti .... Just look what's happening to the GOP, if I were a moderate Republican I would be deeply ashamed.
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You do realize that one can critizise Biden, Harris or the whole democratic party without being anything you described above.

I haven't followed terrifischs posting history here but I doubt that she (right?) can be described with those attributes.

It would be sad for any political party if it's member fear to voice any critisism because then they would be considered a traitor or anti .... Just look what's happening to the GOP, if I were a moderate Republican I would be deeply ashamed.
Perhaps you should take a look at terrifisch's posting history, then.

She claims not to be pro-Trump, but reacts strongly to criticism of him and offers nothing but fierce opposition to any pro-Democrat proposition. I don't care if anybody is strongly pro any political party or figure, as long as they're open and honest about it.
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I'm guessing Terrifisch is pro Republican but has to deal with the unfortunate situation of having too many Trumpsters/Tea Party politicians in the House.
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I'm guessing Terrifisch is pro Republican but has to deal with the unfortunate situation of having too many Trumpsters/Tea Party politicians in the House.
You may be right. Of course, if there were fewer of them, the Democrats would have a greater majority than they do now...
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