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Old 09.01.2021, 21:04
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I think this is the main reason that they want to go through with impeachment even though his term is nearly over.... to prevent another one.
I agree, but impeachment alone doesn't do it. As mentioned above a while back, after the House impeaches the Senate has to have a trial. Then it has to find him guilty, remove him from office, and bar him from seeking office again. He's already been impeached once but not removed/barred. The guilty/remove/bar bit requires 67 senators, which I still don't see happening.

Side note - Bill Clinton would not have been eligible to run for re-election even if he'd been removed from office, as he was already in his second term.
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I think this is the main reason that they want to go through with impeachment even though his term is nearly over.... to prevent another one.
Impeachment alone wouldn’t prevent him from running again. He would need to be convicted by the Senate. Seeing as the Senate is in recess until the 19th that isn’t going to happen.

The Senate could reconvene earlier, IF 100% of the Senators agree to do so, and that is not going to happen.
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Old 09.01.2021, 21:25
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Impeachment alone wouldn’t prevent him from running again. He would need to be convicted by the Senate. Seeing as the Senate is in recess until the 19th that isn’t going to happen.

The Senate could reconvene earlier, IF 100% of the Senators agree to do so, and that is not going to happen.

According to this article, dated yesterday, the Senate could potentially vote him out of office even after Biden's inauguration:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...er-he-n1253544

"Some legal experts on the congressional power of impeachment believe President Donald Trump could be impeached and tried in the Senate even after he leaves office at noon on Jan. 20.

One group says a president can be impeached only while in office. "I tend to believe it is only for current office holders," said Harvard law professor Cass Sunstein, author of "Impeachment: A Citizen's Guide."

According to a second group of scholars, if the House votes to impeach while the president is in office, the Senate can proceed to a trial even after the president has left office.

"Once an impeachment begins in the House, it may continue to a Senate trial. I don't see any constitutional problem with the Senate acting fast or slowly," said Michael Gerhardt, a law professor at the University North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

And a third view is that the entire process can begin even after the president is out of office.

"The constitutional case for late impeachment has more strengths and fewer flaws than the case against it," wrote Brian Kalt, a professor at the Michigan State University College of Law in a widely cited law review article on the subject."
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Old 09.01.2021, 21:28
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I think all these impeachment speculations are going to motivate Trump voters to solidify their support for him and have him run again.
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Old 09.01.2021, 21:33
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I think all these impeachment speculations are going to motivate Trump voters to solidify their support for him and have him run again.
The point of the impeachment is to make it so that he is not able to run again.
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Old 09.01.2021, 21:34
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I think all these impeachment speculations are going to motivate Trump voters to solidify their support for him and have him run again.
Trump voters have already solidified their support for Trump.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

A two thirds majority is necessary to convict Trump. 16 Republicans would need to vote to convict, which I think is very unlikely.

Edit: Make that 17 in addition to all 50 Democrats.

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I think all these impeachment speculations are going to motivate Trump voters to solidify their support for him and have him run again.
Donald Trump will never run again and anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't really understand the gravity of what he has done and what an outcast it will make him in the Republican party o er the coming weeks ad months as everyone with an iota of sense desperately seeks to distance themselves from him. He is done.
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Old 09.01.2021, 21:39
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According to this article, dated yesterday, the Senate could potentially vote him out of office even after Biden's inauguration:
And THAT will backfire BIGLY.

You want to get rid of DT, let him fade slowly, do NOT provoke the bear!

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Old 09.01.2021, 21:41
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

With the speed of justice in the US, particularly for white rich people, he likely will be still embroiled in litigation in four years. Or in prison.
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Old 09.01.2021, 21:42
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And THAT will backfire BIGLY.

You want to get rid of DT, let him fade slowly, do NOT provoke the bear!

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Donald who?
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Old 09.01.2021, 21:45
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And THAT will backfire BIGLY.

You want to get rid of DT, let him fade slowly, do NOT provoke the bear!

Tom
Yeah - the media speculations are just creating new DT fans without him workin on it one bit.The closed media accounts are turning him into even bigger enigmatic cult and he will totally use it.
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Old 09.01.2021, 21:51
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A two thirds majority is necessary to convict Trump. 16 Republicans would need to vote to convict, which I think is very unlikely.
Really, only 16? I think quite a few Republican senators would be willing to vote him out of office right now. A year ago, no. Now? Yes. For one thing, think about how many people have their eye on running for President in 2024 and don't want him to run. Also, keep in mind that a lot of Republican Senators withdrew their objections to the electoral vote certifications because of the riots (prior to the riots, they were backing the claims of election fraud and then refused to back it once the riots occurred). The rioters were screaming "Hang Mike Pence" in the Capitol and had a noose set up outside. Pence would be an idiot to not invoke the 25th Amendment. And with Biden taking office in 11 days, the GOP doesn't really need to kiss Trump's ass anymore.

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Donald Trump will never run again and anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't really understand the gravity of what he has done and what an outcast it will make him in the Republican party o er the coming weeks ad months as everyone with an iota of sense desperately seeks to distance themselves from him. He is done.
Can't he run in 2024 as an Independent (if he isn't removed from office)?

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Old 09.01.2021, 22:10
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Really, only 16? I think quite a few Republican senators would be willing to vote him out of office right now. A year ago, no. Now? Yes. For one thing, think about how many people have their eye on running for President in 2024 and don't want him to run. Also, keep in mind that a lot of Republican Senators withdrew their objections to the electoral vote certifications because of the riots (prior to the riots, they were backing the claims of election fraud and then refused to back it once the riots occurred). The rioters were screaming "Hang Mike Pence" in the Capitol and had a noose set up outside. Pence would be an idiot to not invoke the 25th Amendment. And with Biden taking office in 11 days, the GOP doesn't really need to kiss Trump's ass anymore.



Can't he run in 2024 as an Independent (if he isn't removed from office)?
If he's not impeached he could, but unlikely to win methinks. While a lot of his supporters would vote for him, many will stick with Republican party. And even if, by some miracle, he did get back as President, with a Congress of Republicans/Democrats against him he'd be unable to get any bills passed more than likely.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump still has many 10s of millions of supporters, no politician is going to anger his base, particularly the 22 Republican Senators up for reelection in 2022.
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Old 09.01.2021, 22:36
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Trump still has many 10s of millions of supporters, no politician is going to anger his base, particularly the 22 Republican Senators up for reelection in 2022.
I think he does indeed still have a lot of supporters, but I also think he has lost some. Most of the Trump supporters that I know are now very much against him, because of the riots, and I've seen a lot of reports of his (now previous) supporters posting on their social media, etc. how they feel betrayed by him and are pissed off because of it. He told them to march to the Capitol and "show strength" because their country was stolen from them and then condemned them for what they did and told them they would be prosecuted for it. So he basically instigated the riots and then blamed it solely on them.

It would be interesting, though, to see how many Republican Senators would be willing to vote him out if the impeachment did get to the Senate vote.

Personally, considering what happened on Wednesday, I think the most important thing is to not allow Trump to have a chance at taking office again.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I'm surprised that there isn't a more urgent attempted to neutralize him before he can do anything else. For a start, I'd like that he doesn't get a chance to pardon anybody else.
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Yeah - the media speculations are just creating new DT fans without him workin on it one bit.The closed media accounts are turning him into even bigger enigmatic cult and he will totally use it.
Donny's biggest challenge now is how to communicate with his cult.

If there was a big demand for a right-wing orientated social media then in a free enterprise culture like the US then there would already be such.
There are some smaller ones but nothing with the size or reach of Twitter and Facebook, today he is effectively gagged.

He needs to fix it quickly before people's short attention spans drift elsewhere.
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A two thirds majority is necessary to convict Trump. 16 Republicans would need to vote to convict, which I think is very unlikely.
The objective is to to get Republicans to nail their colors to the mast. If they continue to support a traitor, then it will come back to them next election.
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If there was a big demand for a right-wing orientated social media then in a free enterprise culture like the US then there would already be such.
There is; that's Parler. But Google is doing a good job of silencing it, too.

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