Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 1232

doropfiz · #**24621** 11.01.2021, 01:31

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Because Trump will no longer be president in 10 days, that should be obvious.

Unfortunately, it is not over, yet. Calls are being made for greater numbers to storm the Capitol again, on January 19th, 2021.
https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-capit...ection-1559962

https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/sta...62958557540354

HickvonFrick · #**24622** 11.01.2021, 01:39

	Quote:	doropfiz
	Unfortunately, it is not over, yet. Calls are being made for greater numbers to storm the Capitol again, on January 19th, 2021. https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-capit...ection-1559962 https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/sta...62958557540354

I imagine they will face some serious army hard nuts this time. Not just police.

doropfiz · #**24623** 11.01.2021, 01:46

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	I imagine they will face some serious army hard nuts this time. Not just police.

I hope they don't get to start the Civil War they're after.

#**24624** 11.01.2021, 06:33

	Quote:	Pancakes
	"Rep. David Cicilline, D-R.I., said on Twitter that an article of impeachment has just passed 200 cosponsors." Congratulations, Trump. You will now become the only President in US history to have been impeached twice.

Hold your horses... the article of impeachment has to be passed by the House before it takes effect, and that would require up to 218 votes for impeachment (it depends on how many Representatives are present and voting). But I think it's evident that most, if not all Democrats in the House support this second impeachment, and quite a few Republicans, too; if a vote goes ahead, it's likely to have some bipartisan support.

Trump could avoid the ignominy of a second impeachment by resigning, Nixon-style. And being the great negotiator that he is (just ask him!), he could also avoid the controversy of pardoning himself be getting incoming President Pence to do it for him.

Incidentally, should Trump be impeached again and should that impeachment progress to a vote in the Senate, the bar for conviction is not necessarily 67 Senators' votes, but a two-thirds supermajority of those Senators present. Subject to Senate quorum rules, that could turn out to be well under 67 votes.

Medea Fleecestealer · #**24625** 11.01.2021, 13:43

Bet this annoyed the hell outa him.

"Trump National in Bedminster has been stripped of the US PGA Championship in 2022 as its organisers felt using the course as host would be "detrimental".

The PGA of America voted to terminate the agreement on Sunday."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/55615022

Urs Max · #**24626** 11.01.2021, 18:25

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Not possible thanks to the Constitution. The president can pardon anyone for any federal crime, unless it's his own impeachment. Legal scholars disagree about whether or not he can pardon himself for non-impeachable crimes. I fully see him trying it. Why not try it? He can't pardon anyone convicted of a state crime, so there's that.

Because offering a pardon is based on an assumption of guilt, and accepting the offer is tantamount to admitting it.
Said the Supreme Court in its ruling on Beckford v US some 20 years ago.

I can't envision Trump admitting to any kind of guilt, ever. In and of itself, but even more so as such implied admission might be used in state cases against him.

marton · #**24627** 11.01.2021, 18:29

Latest news; Parler is still off the air - the usual hosting companies won't touch them with a bargepole.

Before people start moaning about censorship do consider this example.

Suppose you run a shop selling tools and someone comes in and asks for a set of tools suitable for housebreaking. Would you serve them and so risk being charged with assisting crimes?

Urs Max · #**24628** 11.01.2021, 18:37

	Quote:	marton
	Latest news; Parler is still off the air - the usual hosting companies won't touch them with a bargepole. Before people start moaning about censorship do consider this example. Suppose you run a shop selling tools and someone comes in and asks for a set of tools suitable for housebreaking. Would you serve them and so risk being charged with assisting crimes?

Where and since when is it a crime to sell screwdrivers, hammers, etc?

The real problem with that ban isn't that they do it. The real problem is that an unregulated for-profit company has such power in the first place. It's in the same way unacceptable as private prisons and mercenaries, even if the latter operate abroad.

In this case the fact that they remove a potential competitor, which is in their commercial interest as Parler might become equally powerful later on or even surpass them, adds just an additional layer to the problem.

Ouchboy · #**24629** 11.01.2021, 18:39

	Quote:	marton
	Latest news; Parler is still off the air - the usual hosting companies won't touch them with a bargepole. Before people start moaning about censorship do consider this example. Suppose you run a shop selling tools and someone comes in and asks for a set of tools suitable for housebreaking. Would you serve them and so risk being charged with assisting crimes?

dlive also banned rioters and froze donation accounts..

so.. "some" right wing places still have some limits...

rainer_d · #**24630** 11.01.2021, 21:50

Will probably move to the Dark-Net, Telegram or one of the hosting places in Russia that is really murky.

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/01/...-qanon-online/

Not sure if this is such a great achievement in the end.

I do believe it's good to have less echo-chambers - but if repressed like this, it all moves to places where nobody can control or even watch it anymore, like a badly cleaned wound that festers under the bandage. That isn't really the outcome everybody wants, either.

Does anybody really think that all it takes to solve America's problems is to ban a few apps from the App Stores and deny a couple of companies contracts for hosting their website?

These apps and websites are just symptoms of a larger problem. Even Trump isn't the problem, he's just a symptom, too.

And I fear, the amount of time and effort it takes to mitigate (not solve!) these problems is far longer and greater than the average term-length of a politician in any part of the world.

marton · #**24631** 11.01.2021, 22:24

	Quote:	rainer_d
	Will probably move to the Dark-Net, Telegram or one of the hosting places in Russia that is really murky. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/01/...-qanon-online/ Not sure if this is such a great achievement in the end. I do believe it's good to have less echo-chambers - but if repressed like this, it all moves to places where nobody can control or even watch it anymore, like a badly cleaned wound that festers under the bandage. That isn't really the outcome everybody wants, either. Does anybody really think that all it takes to solve America's problems is to ban a few apps from the App Stores and deny a couple of companies contracts for hosting their website? These apps and websites are just symptoms of a larger problem. Even Trump isn't the problem, he's just a symptom, too. And I fear, the amount of time and effort it takes to mitigate (not solve!) these problems is far longer and greater than the average term-length of a politician in any part of the world.

Of course, it will not solve America's problems to ban a few apps from the App Stores but likely it will very much improve the situation, note they are not only banned from App Stores but also hosting platforms.

"all moves to places where nobody can control or even watch it anymore", there are no places on the Internet that nobody can watch; certainly anywhere the average US political supporter can access is well within the reach of the US intelligence agencies.

Bottom line, I doubt in the real world that any Twitter user with a substantial number of followers is going to migrate to some third world, below the line, web site and so lose all their influence.

Pancakes · #**24632** 11.01.2021, 23:41

Fox News will probably give him his own talk show. You know, they gotta try to keep those ratings up.

Pancakes · #**24633** 11.01.2021, 23:43

	Quote:	rainer_d
	These apps and websites are just symptoms of a larger problem. Even Trump isn't the problem, he's just a symptom, too.

Trump isn't merely a symptom. He took a problem and inflated it and exploited it with lies for his own personal gains, which finally resulted in a violent attack on the Capitol building while it was full of Congress members trying to certify an election.

JackieH · #**24634** 12.01.2021, 00:03

worse- many more being planned right now.

That anyone on EF should even appear to support this is beyond belief, and seriously worrying.

#**24635** 12.01.2021, 01:02

A very good and balanced piece by Matt Taibbi, former Rolling Stone journalist, on the need for a new media channel/outlet in the wake of recent events:

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/we-nee...w-media-system

3Wishes · #**24636** 12.01.2021, 15:24

	Quote:	Pancakes
	Fox News will probably give him his own talk show. You know, they gotta try to keep those ratings up.

They are losing to Newsmax and others. A prime time Trump show would be gold.

marton · #**24637** 12.01.2021, 15:51

Rearrange the following words into a well-known phrase or saying;
ship rats sinking leaving the.

	Quote:
	Deutsche Bank became the latest large company to cut ties with Donald Trump, with the firm that has propped up the Trump Organization for two decades reportedly announcing it would no longer do business with the disgraced president. The German bank’s move – reported by the New York Times – follows Wednesday’s deadly attack on the US Capitol building by a mob of Trump supporters. The number of corporations disassociating themselves from Trump is now turning into an avalanche. Deutsche Bank has been Trump’s most important lender. The Trump Organization, fronted by his two older sons, owes the bank about $340m in outstanding loans. After a series of bankruptcies in the 1990s, it was the only bank willing to give Trump money. Christiana Riley, the head of the bank’s US operations, took to professional networking site LinkedIn last week to condemn the violence. Yesterday was a dark day for America and our democracy. We are proud of our Constitution and stand by those who seek to uphold it to ensure that the will of the people is upheld and a peaceful transition of power takes place," she wrote.

Ato · #**24638** 12.01.2021, 16:14

	Quote:	marton
	Rearrange the following words into a well-known phrase or saying; ship rats sinking leaving the.

rats sinking leaving the ship - A terrible tragedy of leaving before docking.

sinking ship rats the leaving - The SS Bigbrother informs on crew members abandoning their posts.

leaving rats sinking the ship - An anecdotal tale on the correct weight distribution of ocean going vessels.

leaving the ship rats sinking - A sea shanty on the importance of pest control on the high seas.

rats leaving the sinking ship - I've got nothing.

st2lemans · #**24639** 12.01.2021, 16:29

	Quote:	JackieH
	worse- many more being planned right now.

Many more what?

	Quote:	JackieH
	That anyone on EF should even appear to support this is beyond belief, and seriously worrying.

Support what?

Please, add some context to your ramblings!

Tom

me.anon · #**24640** 12.01.2021, 19:59

Quote:

marton

Rearrange the following words into a well-known phrase or saying;
ship rats sinking leaving the.

Quote:

Deutsche Bank became the latest large company to cut ties with Donald Trump, with the firm that has propped up the Trump Organization for two decades reportedly announcing it would no longer do business with the disgraced president.

The German bank’s move – reported by the New York Times – follows Wednesday’s deadly attack on the US Capitol building by a mob of Trump supporters. The number of corporations disassociating themselves from Trump is now turning into an avalanche.

Deutsche Bank has been Trump’s most important lender. The Trump Organization, fronted by his two older sons, owes the bank about $340m in outstanding loans. After a series of bankruptcies in the 1990s, it was the only bank willing to give Trump money.

Christiana Riley, the head of the bank’s US operations, took to professional networking site LinkedIn last week to condemn the violence.

Yesterday was a dark day for America and our democracy.
We are proud of our Constitution and stand by those who seek to uphold it to ensure that the will of the people is upheld and a peaceful transition of power takes place," she wrote.

I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve this, but this is not unusual following big movements on the political stage. Organisations which maintain contact with political figures in the hope of deriving some reciprocal benefit from the relationship soon want to back out when there is nothing more to be gained.

It was the same at the end of 2016 when Trump (unexpectedly) won the presidential election. Those who were donating large sums to the "Clinton Foundation" in the false expectation that Hillary Clinton would win, started backing away. Of course, then, the donors did not want to make it too obvious that such donations were for corrupt political favours in advance, so were discreet about their withdrawal.

Mr. Trump, by his recent antics, however, has given such donors or influence seekers the perfect opportunity to both save wasting more money, and virtue signal at the same time, by an abrupt and public termination of the relationship.