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Because as we all know photos can lie and very convincingly these days. I thought I read in one of the links that they actually issued tickets for the event so presumably they know how many of those were sold/used. Of course their truth may be a little different from the actual figure.
The photos were stills that came from the video feed from the Earth web cam, link.
So you believe they faked up a whole days transmissions from this web cam

The Trump team announced at one time that they had issued 250,00 tickets, whatever that means.
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The photos were stills that came from the video feed from the Earth web cam, link.
So you believe they faked up a whole days transmissions from this web cam

The Trump team announced at one time that they had issued 250,00 tickets, whatever that means.
Not a good start on the evaluation to pre-empt ISIS attacks.
Even pop-concerts in Europe now recognise the sense of accurate figures, as well as crowd tracking.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump seems to have an enormous chip on his shoulder about his intelligence. He's talked about how smart he is, how he knows more than generals, etc. His cabinet has the highest IQ ever (which anyone knows matters not at all). And yesterday, during the CIA speech he went on about how he was smart again, and then referred to an uncle who taught at MIT. But he wasn't elected because of his intelligence - that just doesn't play well in the US.

On another point, I find him impossible to listen to, he makes me cringe. Is this delivery part of his attraction? Off the cuff meandering makes him sound like a regular guy?

And yeah, Spicer's suit was an awful fit.
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Not a good start on the evaluation to pre-empt ISIS attacks.
Even pop-concerts in Europe now recognise the sense of accurate figures, as well as crowd tracking.
That thought occurred to me that they were seemingly clueless on the numbers, especially in these times. One news report said that they do monitor it but they then denied it in the Spicer press conference.

I find it hard to believe that in this day and age, it would be incredibly naive not to have some kind of round up or overview of the crowds.

You can bet if there had been any kind of attack they'd have been releasing CCTV pictures and "finding drivers licences under seats" within 24 hours.
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Old 22.01.2017, 14:42
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would you go to dc knowing this is coming there to riot?



at least this creature seems somewhat peaceful...
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That thought occurred to me that they were seemingly clueless on the numbers, especially in these times. One news report said that they do monitor it but they then denied it in the Spicer press conference.

I find it hard to believe that in this day and age, it would be incredibly naive not to have some kind of round up or overview of the crowds.

You can bet if there had been any kind of attack they'd have been releasing CCTV pictures and "finding drivers licences under seats" within 24 hours.
I believe that Trump was only interested in his ticket sales.
Crowd control would not have crossed his hairpiece.

Certainly the CIA couldn't have given a shyt if he'd been assassinated.
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Old 22.01.2017, 14:59
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Did anyone else see his behaviour at the prayer service yesterday? He was like the petulant, bored 4yr old at a wedding. I was half expecting him to high five people as they walked down the aisle.
He was like that walking into the venue too. He looked like "f** that, do I really have to go there?" It was very strange.

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Trump seems to have an enormous chip on his shoulder about his intelligence.
you would too if you were him.
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Maybe Trump will unite America once again, just not in the way he hoped.
Protests are a great american tradition. It is allowed so long as it is lawful. If they can translate this into something real, it is healthy for a democracy for its citizens to get politically engaged.

Except I'm not sure what these protesters are protesting for, beyond simple expression of a sentiment. We got it, they hate rich old patriarchal white men. OK, now what?

I hope they aren't stupid enough to purport that Hillary Clinton is the standard bearer of all womanhood either. That would be a very, very sad statement to make.

Who will pick this momentum up and lead it? One would think Bernie Sanders would. But Sanders, if you read through is campaigning, is actually in agreement with Trump's perspective about Washington DC.
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Protests are a great american tradition.
Uhhhhh - it was pretty much Global?
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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/21/po...rap/index.html
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Old 22.01.2017, 15:10
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Uhhhhh - it was pretty much Global?
I'd hate to say it, and I hope they had fun elsewhere, but it is somewhat inconsequential.

Reagan probably had larger global protests due to his nuclear arms stance.

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The photos were stills that came from the video feed from the Earth web cam, link.
So you believe they faked up a whole days transmissions from this web cam

The Trump team announced at one time that they had issued 250,00 tickets, whatever that means.
No, I don't. I was making the point that the Trump team do. Or at least that's what they'll claim if asked for proof of the figures they mentioned attending. So long as they deny loudly enough they think/hope/believe everyone else will think/hope/believe as well, despite evidence to the contrary. It doesn't bode well for when they start tackling the real issues/problems if they react like this over such a minor matter.
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Almost as if it's dawning on him he has bitten more than he can chew.. he can't pick and choose, can't control all the duty appearances required of him as president. He also appears not to have the emotional intelligence/strength/stamina to keep himself on an even keel. You would wonder, if he will indeed get bored of the lack of power/control he will have as president compared to control he has had as the private business man Donald Trump.

The protestors are not his employees.

Anyway, talk about learning on the job..
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It doesn't bode well for when they start tackling the real issues/problems if they react like this over such a minor matter.
This is what I would pay attention more to, how they handle real issues.
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Old 22.01.2017, 15:18
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Almost as if it's dawning on him he has bitten more than he can chew.. he can't pick and choose,:
The major problem is that he can "pick and choose"
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On another point, I find him impossible to listen to, he makes me cringe.
Same here. I find that if I want to know what his speech is about, the only way I can do so is to wait for it to be over and then find a transcript of it. Watching him and hearing him are just beyond my comfort zone
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Except I'm not sure what these protesters are protesting for, beyond simple expression of a sentiment. We got it, they hate rich old patriarchal white men. OK, now what?

Actually quite a few of my friends marched and their reasoning wasn't so much that Trump won, but their concern about his cabinet picks and proposed changes to many things, mostly women's' rights. This was their way of saying "We don't like the course of action that you're proposing and want you to carefully consider the future"

My own concerns about his term is any regression on environmental issues. It is selfish of me, I know, but human rights violations will be "only" in the US. But the loosening of EPA regulations, the denying of climate change, etc - those affect the world on a much more concerning scale. My one real pet peeve of his is the plan to sell of some of the US National Parks. To me this is an irreversible step and a huge loss to the American public.


One final comment: the people who smashed windows and were otherwise destructive during the marchers can please take a long walk off a short pier. That type of action was 100% uncalled for.
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Protests are a great american tradition. It is allowed so long as it is lawful. If they can translate this into something real, it is healthy for a democracy for its citizens to get politically engaged.

Except I'm not sure what these protesters are protesting for, beyond simple expression of a sentiment. We got it, they hate rich old patriarchal white men. OK, now what?

I hope they aren't stupid enough to purport that Hillary Clinton is the standard bearer of all womanhood either. That would be a very, very sad statement to make.

Who will pick this momentum up and lead it? One would think Bernie Sanders would. But Sanders, if you read through is campaigning, is actually in agreement with Trump's perspective about Washington DC.
Certainly, the motivation came from the election of Trump. And I don't believe that everyone in the US as well as abroad supports Hillary Clinton - in fact I know quite a few women who did not/do not support her. I think her time to be an active leader is passed. I still think she would have been a far better choice than Trump - two days of his crap, and his cabinet selections only strengthen my opinion.

This wasn't just about Washington, and in the end, it's not just about America. There was an article in the Guardian, and one in the Washington Post about where to go from here. The critical step is making something happen, and mobilizing people to act - inertia is really strong.

It's pretty clear that change needs to happen from the bottom up. So the best thing is if people - men and women become involved in local government. In the US, the Democratic party needs new, fresh leadership. And a simple message.

Will it effect change? I don't know. But I wouldn't dismiss it, not yet anyway.
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Except I'm not sure what these protesters are protesting for, beyond simple expression of a sentiment. We got it, they hate rich old patriarchal white men. OK, now what?
An article on the Indianapolis march, from the Indy Star:

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/p...eard/96884264/

For those who are not au fait with US state politics, Indiana is one of the reddest of red states. It's about as far from 'liberal elite' - or actually any kind of elite at all - as you can get. And the march was held on the same day IU played Michigan State. And yet some 4500-5000 like-minded Hoosiers chose to attend. That's how vital these 'red staters' felt it was to express their views and concerns.

My Hoosier relatives who attended, who cover the spectrum from conservative to liberal, reported that the tone of the march was not really protest, but rather a show of solidarity, an expression of values, values they feel to be at risk - and a reminder that they have a voice that deserves to be heard. Those reminders will likely be needed regularly in the next four years.
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...For those who are not au fait with US state politics, Indiana is one of the reddest of red states.
And current VP Pence was governor of Indiana up until a few weeks ago. There's a reason Trump picked him as a running mate.
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Same here. I find that if I want to know what his speech is about, the only way I can do so is to wait for it to be over and then find a transcript of it. Watching him and hearing him are just beyond my comfort zone
I experience exactly the same - not beyond my comfort zone - but definitely beyond my perception of everything the human race has questioned since Charles Darwin, and since been enlightened about.

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