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how many days until the next trump melt down? I would be disappointed if none this week.
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I believe if Trump had gone into the campaign talking like that, in the same manner instead of dumbing down, he wouldn't have the same level of backlash we see now. His interim behaviour would still be a huge bone of contention, but his manner would be more likely to garner a willing ear.
i think youre wrong with that. i think the hysterical backlash would have happened anyway. the dems/media would have painted any rep candidate as a bigot -ist -phobe.

because a large part of the people eat that shit up, stoking eachother up within internet bubbles. any rep candidate winning would have led to this same nasty alliance of antifa, radical islam, blm, feminists 3.0 rioting on the streets.

its this crazy left that the average person absolutely despises. as always, zealots have the loudest voice. this led calculating politicians to think that crazy left is the average american. hence hrc and also the other rep candidates pandering more or less to these people for the votes. trump was the only one not playing these political games, and normal people connected to that.

but yeah, trumps eccentric manner of speaking nowadays definitely doesnt help. more ammo for his opponents and a bit embarrassing for his proponents.
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i think youre wrong with that. i think the hysterical backlash would have happened anyway. the dems/media would have painted any rep candidate as a bigot -ist -phobe.

because a large part of the people eat that shit up, stoking eachother up within internet bubbles. any rep candidate winning would have led to this same nasty alliance of antifa, radical islam, blm, feminists 3.0 rioting on the streets.

its this crazy left that the average person absolutely despises. as always, zealots have the loudest voice. this led calculating politicians to think that crazy left is the average american. hence hrc and also the other rep candidates pandering more or less to these people for the votes. trump was the only one not playing these political games, and normal people connected to that.

but yeah, trumps eccentric manner of speaking nowadays definitely doesnt help. more ammo for his opponents and a bit embarrassing for his proponents.
On balance, the same could be said for the other side of the political spectrum. Any democrat candidate winning office would then be "painted as a bleeding heart liberal" or whatever affliction republicans choose to characterise a democrat.

I think the republican supporters are rather naively trying to come across as the better people but it's simply because they haven't had the necessity to set up protests and smear campaigns. They're having a lovely time with their victory.

Look at the mithering Obama had to put up with questions about his birth certificate from whiny republicans. That stuff created its own share of internet bubbles and big loud zealoty voices . It's two sides of the same coin.
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Even his office is the same shape.

And in the same building.
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Maybe during the fat year of plenty that would have been true.

But I think Europe is changing very quickly. Political change is like an earthquake. Small quakes are good because they reduce tensions and thus prevent big quakes. Europe has done its best to prevent small quakes for a very long time and so its all the more likely that there is a big one coming.

But I think if you look at European history, Europe has always been remarkably good at struggling back to its feet and leaving its past behind it. Maybe better so than the US, where, for example, the wounds of slavery and the Civil War are still not fully healed, more than 150 years later. Maybe this is because essentially in Europe, very little is genuinely set in stone, and because there are so many different streams in history that you can always find one to build on for the future.
Good theories, but I actually think it is because the injustices were done against small, relatively poor countries (Soviet satelites or small nations in Hung-Austr, Nazies swallowing protectorate regions), with small impact on the big ones. They had no choice but shake it off and move on. I don't think Europe is more flexible than US, it has humble regions that historically were reminded they are poor therefore quite powerless without feeding into alliances. It is not like that they all wanted to take part of any pacts, because often they compromized too much. They gained safety, and a bit of autonomy and profited from free movement and competition that they turned to their moderate benefit.

US history is young and people less ready to sacrifice the glorious victim feeling; what is presented as individual freedom fighting seems actually the inability to swallow one's pride or selfimportance. Otherwise I see no other reason for all this effort to justify this rigidity and attempts to reach far in history for feeding perceived injustice. What would people do if half of their family was gassed a few decades ago, so recently. The rest ripped off by stalinist maniacs and far in the past whole generations treated like scum by the Austrians..there is no injustice worse than others. But some people believe in self developement regadless of outside conditions, don't rely on handouts and entitlement. Others in keeping the wounds unhealed (even if it worsens the quality of their life or their kids' lives). Just my 2 personal centimes. I can see Vysegrad 4 out soon.
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On balance, the same could be said for the other side of the political spectrum. Any democrat candidate winning office would then be "painted as a bleeding heart liberal" or whatever affliction republicans choose to characterise a democrat.

I think the republican supporters are rather naively trying to come across as the better people but it's simply because they haven't had the necessity to set up protests and smear campaigns. They're having a lovely time with their victory.

Look at the mithering Obama had to put up with questions about his birth certificate from whiny republicans. That stuff created its own share of internet bubbles and big loud zealoty voices . It's two sides of the same coin.
This. True.

Only at least from my perspective, it seems what we are seeing now is several levels worse than what was directed against Obama. But then the rubbish that got hurled against Obama was a lot worse worse than what got hurled at Bush (who really deserved it BTW). So maybe it's just a sad sign of the times that protests get more and more nasty and disruptive, driven by an exponential escalation of fear mongering and people seeing things from one side only. This combined with a sad tendency to interpret everything they hear and see in the worst possible context and projecting the worst possible intentions onto the other side while failing to see even the slightest shortcomings of their own arguments and actions.

Both sides are guilty of this. And if it escalates further it's going to turn very nasty. People need to wake up to their responsibility and reach out and build bridges.
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On balance, the same could be said for the other side of the political spectrum. Any democrat candidate winning office would then be "painted as a bleeding heart liberal" or whatever affliction republicans choose to characterise a democrat.

I think the republican supporters are rather naively trying to come across as the better people but it's simply because they haven't had the necessity to set up protests and smear campaigns. They're having a lovely time with their victory.

Look at the mithering Obama had to put up with questions about his birth certificate from whiny republicans. That stuff created its own share of internet bubbles and big loud zealoty voices . It's two sides of the same coin.
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It was way back in early 2011 that Trump attracted attention by raising questions about Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility for the presidency. At the time, Trump also talked about the possibility of running for the highest office in the land in 2012, but what drew more press notice were his comments about Obama.

“I have some real doubts,” Trump told the “Today” show. He said he sent his own investigators to Hawaii, where Obama claimed to have been born. “I have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what they’re finding.”

On “Good Morning America,” Trump suggested Obama might be trying to conceal his religion by refusing to release his genuine birth certificate nearly three years into his first term.

“Maybe it says he’s a Muslim,” he speculated.

In the spring of 2011, after Obama released what he purported to be his real long-form birth certificate, Trump boasted about forcing Obama to release the document. He said he was “very proud” of himself and the birth certificate would have to be examined to ensure it was authentic.

He didn’t let go of the issue until September 2016.
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i think youre wrong with that. i think the hysterical backlash would have happened anyway. the dems/media would have painted any rep candidate as a bigot -ist -phobe.
Nah, if a reasonable guy (the few that are left in the Repub party) like Kasich or even Rand Paul got the nom, the focus would have been on the issues and not the latest flash bang scandal. Though in hindsight that's the last thing the Republican party needed, so kudos. Trump didn't sell policy, he sold a feeling.

"The military is in disrepair", despite being better funded and bigger than ever.
"Build a wall!", despite Obama having deported more illegal immigrants than any President before him.
"Errrr jeeerbs!", the unemployment rate under Obama was cut in half to under 5%, and those factory jobs aren't coming back no matter how badly you want them to.
"Obamacare must be stopped at all costs!", despite it being a Republican plan and the one Mitt Romney enacted in Massachusetts.

And for the all the flack Democrats get for being crybabies and sore losers, there was no bigger sole loser bitch move than Congress saying in early 2009 that their only goal was for Obama to be a one-term president or, more recently, refusing to confirm his Supreme Court nominee for a year, despite most congressmen supporting the very same nominee in the past. Let's hope the Republicans haven't lost the habit of actually working on and enacting policy after 8 years of doing nothing but blaming Obama for everything. And let's hope they can still look in the mirror at themselves 2-4 years from now, when the checks of their latest deal with the devil have been cashed and they're up for reelection.
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Both sides are guilty of this. And if it escalates further it's going to turn very nasty. People need to wake up to their responsibility and reach out and build bridges.
It seems to me Trump thrives from such contests. The man seems to love it. I think he's in position to diminish mainstream media's hold on power in Washington, in areas they really should not have.

Personally, I've had enough of the politics of gossip, innuendos, sentiments and subjective feelings. I would really like to move on to the politics of real results.

I think he can use his bully pulpit to tame the media. Afterall, he makes the real news they can only hope to report. And should he beat them at their game, he'll come out and say, "The media is important. I love the media. The media is amazing". That is typical of Trump after beating his opponents.
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Good theories, but I actually think it is because the injustices were done against small, relatively poor countries (Soviet satelites or small nations in Hung-Austr, Nazies swallowing protectorate regions), with small impact on the big ones. They had no choice but shake it off and move on. I don't think Europe is more flexible than US, it has humble regions who historically were reminded they are poor therefore quite powerless without feeding into alliances. It is not like that they all wanted to take part of any pacts, because often they compromized too much. They gained safety, and a bit of autonomy and profited from free movement and competition that they turned to their moderate benefit.

US history is young and people less ready to sacrifice the glorious victim feeling; what is presented as individual freedom fighting seems actually the inability to swallow one's pride or selfimportance. Otherwise I see no other reason for all this effort to justify this rigidity and attempts to reach far in history for feeding perceived injustice. What would people do if half of their family was gassed a few decades ago, so recently. The rest ripped off by stalinist maniacs and far in the past whole generations treated like scum by the Austrians..there is no injustice worse than others. But some people believe in self developement regadless of outside conditions, don't rely on handouts and entitlement. Others in keeping the wounds unhealed (even if it worsens the quality of their life or their kids' lives). Just my 2 personal centimes. I can see Vysegrad 4 out soon.
I've spent some time studying Eastern Europe lately and agree that there is a lot of old resentment and suppressed perspectives that are simmering under the surface. I've experienced first hand discussions about whether WW2 era leaders were heros or evil collaborators and whether it is appropiate to erect statues of them and name streets after them (as is indeed happening in places). Maybe there are parallels here to dicussions in the US about removing Confederate monuments. In Eastern Europe the Soviets basically wrote the history books and got to decide who the good guys were and who the bad guys were. Now that the Soviets are no more, the pendulum is swinging back and people are discovering previously suppressed aspects of their history and maybe celebrating heroes they previously weren't permitted to show sympathy for. Maybe the pendulum is swinging too far and there is some over-correction and a lot of cognitive filtering and selective pixeling out of unpleasant details. But then these are events within living history. Maybe when the last people who remember Hitler and Stalin are dead, a fresh evaluation can take place free of the baggage of collaborator versus victim.
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On balance, the same could be said for the other side of the political spectrum. Any democrat candidate winning office would then be "painted as a bleeding heart liberal" or whatever affliction republicans choose to characterise a democrat.

I think the republican supporters are rather naively trying to come across as the better people but it's simply because they haven't had the necessity to set up protests and smear campaigns. They're having a lovely time with their victory.

Look at the mithering Obama had to put up with questions about his birth certificate from whiny republicans. That stuff created its own share of internet bubbles and big loud zealoty voices . It's two sides of the same coin.
if hrc had won, no riots in the streets would have occurred. 100% convinced of that. just some memes on the internet and a verbal stab here and there.

i dont think reps pretend to be better. i see simply normal people and zealots. normal people can be dem or rep which would be about 50-50. zealots can be both as well, except its lopsided towards dem.

either as a cause or an effect, the zealots on the left have a platform in education, msm/hollywood. that creates more momentum exponentially (more crazy lefties leads to more crazy lefties). it doesnt work like that for the right, or at least they are far behind. so there is simply not enough mass on the crazy right to get out and "fight". it's more individualistic.

if i was a lefty and realistic, id be super happy about the weakness and cowardice on the right rather than be afraid of deathsquads hunting jews muslims. talk about phobia... but then again, take that fear away and you basically take their raison d'etre away
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On balance, the same could be said for the other side of the political spectrum. Any democrat candidate winning office would then be "painted as a bleeding heart liberal" or whatever affliction republicans choose to characterise a democrat.

I think the republican supporters are rather naively trying to come across as the better people but it's simply because they haven't had the necessity to set up protests and smear campaigns. They're having a lovely time with their victory.

Look at the mithering Obama had to put up with questions about his birth certificate from whiny republicans. That stuff created its own share of internet bubbles and big loud zealoty voices . It's two sides of the same coin.
Trump led the way on that and only recently changed his viewpoint, somehow managing to blame it on Hillary instead.

"Trump played a leading role in "birther" conspiracy theories that had been circulating since President Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign.[226][227] Beginning in March 2011, Trump publicly questioned Obama's citizenship and eligibility to serve as President.[228][229][230] Although the Obama campaign had released a copy of the short-form birth certificate in 2008,[231] Trump demanded to see the original "long-form" certificate.[228] He mentioned having sent investigators to Hawaii to research the question, but he did not follow up with any findings.[228] He also repeated a debunked allegation that Obama's grandmother said she had witnessed his birth in Kenya.[232][233] When the White House later released Obama's long-form birth certificate,[234] Trump took credit for obtaining the document, saying "I hope it checks out."[235] His official biography mentions his purported role in forcing Obama's hand,[236] and he has defended his pursuit of the issue when prompted. In 2013 he said, "I don't think I went overboard. Actually, I think it made me very popular."[237] When asked in 2015 whether Obama was born in the United States, Trump said he did not want to discuss it further.[238][239] Earlier, Trump had also called for Obama to release his student records, questioning whether his grades warranted entry into an Ivy League school.[240] In September 2016, Trump publicly acknowledged that Obama was born in the U.S., and claimed that the rumors had been started by Hillary Clinton during her 2008 presidential campaign.[229][241][242]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald...8.E2.80.932015

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And for those of you totting up his lies since he was inaugurated the Independent will get you started with the first 5.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7541171.html

Bets now beng taken on final lie totals at the end years 1, 2, 3 and 4 - assuming he lasts that long.
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either as a cause or an effect, the zealots on the left have a platform in education, msm/hollywood. that creates more momentum exponentially (more crazy lefties leads to more crazy lefties). it doesnt work like that for the right, or at least they are far behind. so there is simply not enough mass on the crazy right to get out and "fight". it's more individualistic.

if i was a lefty and realistic, id be super happy about the weakness and cowardice on the right rather than be afraid of deathsquads hunting jews muslims. talk about phobia... but then again, take that fear away and you basically take their raison d'etre away
You might find a few nutcases that going on a rampage, attribute it to some hateful reason, and then are labelled right wing. Or you might have groups that are mostly based on staying in hiding.

The danger on the left is how hate and violence is expressed openly, even gaining social acceptance amongst their peers, because they claim to have a more tolerant and higher moral ground. Yet nobody seem to question the danger of it.

Madonna recently said "We choose love", after a few sentences about her hate for Trump, and blowing up the White House. And they cheered.

There sure is a lot of depravity exhibited and socially accepted. They love that stuff.
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Trump led the way on that and only recently changed his viewpoint, somehow managing to blame it on Hillary instead.
Well, Hillary's campaign did start the birther thing, and yes, Trump ran with it.
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The danger on the left is how hate and violence is expressed openly, even gaining social acceptance amongst their peers, because they claim to have a more tolerant and higher moral ground. Yet nobody seem to question the danger of it.

Madonna recently said "We choose love", after a few sentences about her hate for Trump, and blowing up the White House. And they cheered.

There sure is a lot of depravity exhibited and socially accepted. They love that stuff.
Ohh no, those poor sensibilities of yours. If social acceptance of depravity, hate and violence was a bigger issue for you, you wouldn't be cheering on the election of a guy who has admitted on tape to sexually assaulting women as a practice and that he would encourage the military to commit war crimes. Don't forget his "funny" zinger during the CIA speech the other day that American should have stuck around and "taken the oil". I'm sure you find that "hilarious", though, not scary and depraved, like you do an emotional (and tempered) statement by Madonna.
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Ohh no, those poor sensibilities of yours. If social acceptance of depravity, hate and violence was a bigger issue for you, you wouldn't be cheering on the election of a guy who has admitted on tape to sexually assaulting women as a practice and that he would encourage the military to commit war crimes. Don't forget his "funny" zinger during the CIA speech the other day that American should have stuck around and "taken the oil". I'm sure you find that "hilarious", though, not scary and depraved, like you do an emotional (and tempered) statement by Madonna.
yeah trump totally walks up to random women on the street and grabs their pussy out of the blue.

totally not talking about golddiggers that hang around wealthy men hoping to get a finger in the pie (goddamn what a brilliant pun, i amaze myself sometimes)
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Well, Hillary's campaign did start the birther thing, and yes, Trump ran with it.
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Provide your source and prove that nobody else mentioned it before she did.
They admitted it.
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Ohh no, those poor sensibilities of yours. If social acceptance of depravity, hate and violence was a bigger issue for you, you wouldn't be cheering on the election of a guy who has admitted on tape to sexually assaulting women as a practice and that he would encourage the military to commit war crimes. Don't forget his "funny" zinger during the CIA speech the other day that American should have stuck around and "taken the oil". I'm sure you find that "hilarious", though, not scary and depraved, like you do an emotional (and tempered) statement by Madonna.
So if the whole outrage about Trump is the taped talk on the bus, it is non-existent. If that is all they have, it is all quite weak as it was all only imagined.

As they keep fighting those imagined issues, meanwhile, he's actually working on real issues.

Sorry, but I don't see that side winning any elections if that is all they have.
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Well, Hillary's campaign did start the birther thing, and yes, Trump ran with it.
Trump seems to have lost interest "pdf of Obama birth certificate moved from WhiteHouse.gov"
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