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Old 24.01.2017, 14:20
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i thought trump being childish was the starting point here?

youre just insulted now because you realize you are just as childish yourself since you brought the crowd size up here pages ago
I thought it was that the Trump administration tried to dispute something fairly easy to verify on the very first day, and got upset with the media for reporting facts instead of the party line that the new dear leader is very popular. It's not the size of the crowd, it's that they blatantly want to push a fantasy North Korea Style.
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Old 24.01.2017, 14:33
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OK, so both of you are missing my point.

I'm talking about politics in general. The new dawn of trivial point scoring.

A bit like Phos does on every post. Nothing of substance, just point scoring. No facts, just opinion and "sentiment" and "feeling" is enough to convince yourself you are making some kind of coherent argument.

Society's gloves are off, it's all acceptable now. Everyone can act like they have an IQ in single figures.

It's you two that keep bleating about "Libs" or "Reps" as if there's any kind of a difference. LOL.
You're obsessed with the point scoring, I'm looking at the current situation and changes taking place.

It's not about feelings, let alone yours. Facts don't really care about your feelings.
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Old 24.01.2017, 14:38
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You're obsessed with the point scoring, I'm looking at the current situation and changes taking place.

It's not about feelings, let alone yours. Facts don't really care about your feelings.
The ultimate irony. Phos talking about "facts".
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The political squabbling will always shove objectivity to the back of the line, and will support the lack of transparency Trump and his team might be after..

True scrutiny of his plans should be the focus now. I worry the initial protestor noise will exhaust the public and blind them against the real worry/ every-day concerns which will become obvious as we move forward.

Why, for example, wasn't there a big song and dance made out of the quick, cruel dumping of Obamacare which has left millions of adults & children without medical cover; the chronically sick, people already in hospital receiving treatment etc. I am sure a significant % of the electorate who voted for him are feeling vulnerable and scared right now, as he has not put anything else in to replace it? Or has he?
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Old 24.01.2017, 14:39
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I recently read a conversation between Robert Reich and an (unnamed) former senior Republican, who claimed the GOP will support Trump long enough for him to bring in whatever legislation they want early on. They will then let him fall from grace, by his own actions or otherwise, in order for Pence - their man - to step in.
I'm not sure on the credibility of this, whether it is speculation or not, but it seems a possible scenario.
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The ultimate irony. Phos talking about "facts".
Don't you mean "alternative facts"?
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Old 24.01.2017, 14:42
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Don't you mean "alternative facts"?
Pretty soon he'll be telling us we should interpret the facts through the lens that Trump is correct.
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Old 24.01.2017, 14:42
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OK, so both of you are missing my point.

I'm talking about politics in general. The new dawn of trivial point scoring.

A bit like Phos does on every post. Nothing of substance, just point scoring.

The gloves are off, it's all acceptable now. Everyone can act like they have an IQ in single figures.

It's you two that keep bleating about "Libs" or "Reps" as if there's any kind of a difference. LOL.
say what? i literally said a few posts ago that there are normal people (50-50 rep-dem) and zealots (mainly dem)

so no major difference between normal people, which i assume is most of us here at EF.

some of us attack zealots on the left, and some attack zealots on the right. thats cool but not really a priority at the moment imo.

you tend to have valid observations but you only apply them to the right, and all i have to do is reflect it back to the left.
i guess, as long as you dont see that what you say applies equally to all people, there might indeed be a difference between "Libs" and "Reps" (sic)...
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Old 24.01.2017, 14:44
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From the podium's perspective, you can't see the empty patches in the field. Also doesn't state when the photo was taken. From the podium's perspective, the fields would look full.

The media shot that first salvo. At the point where we should actually try to work together, the media continued on questioning Trump's legitimacy.

He let it go at the point, the media and Spicer carried it on. Continuing on with stories of Trump's legitimacy doesn't really help anyone. It just makes it more painful for losers. But I don't think the media is capable of thinking maturely. Its not that competent at analysing an issue.
" Also doesn't state when the photo was taken."
Actually it does!
It was a still from the video taken by the Earth web cam mounted on top of the Washington Monument.
If you are trying to claim that the crowd would look better at another time then why did nobody go into the archive and show that view; answer - because the crowd did not get bigger.

"The media shot that first salvo" They reported the news; why would they present alternative facts, that is the Trump team job
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Old 24.01.2017, 14:47
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The political squabbling will always shove objectivity to the back of the line, and will support the lack of transparency Trump and his team might be after..

True scrutiny of his plans should be the focus now. I worry the initial protestor noise will exhaust the public and blind them against the real worry/ every-day concerns which will become obvious as we move forward.

Why, for example, wasn't there a big song and dance made out of the quick, cruel dumping of Obamacare which has left millions of adults & children without medical cover; the chronically sick, people already in hospital receiving treatment etc. I am sure a significant % of the electorate who voted for him are feeling vulnerable and scared right now, as he has not put anything else in to replace it? Or has he?
"cruel dumping of Obamacare which has left millions of adults & children without medical cover" That has not happened yet, in fact Trump said they should not do this before an alternative plan is available.
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Spread =/= create. And that lone guy was fired immediately.

Just your usual misrepresentations and lies.
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Old 24.01.2017, 14:49
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I recently read a conversation between Robert Reich and an (unnamed) former senior Republican, who claimed the GOP will support Trump long enough for him to bring in whatever legislation they want early on. They will then let him fall from grace, by his own actions or otherwise, in order for Pence - their man - to step in.
I'm not sure on the credibility of this, whether it is speculation or not, but it seems a possible scenario.
They fail to acknowledge that Trump's base bleeds over to working class Democrats. After they pass through the Republican issues, Trump will likely ask for money for infrastructure projects. This will likely be opposed by Republicans, but supported by Democrats. So we may see some non-partisan support yet.

I don't think "Get rid of Trump" is the name of the game for everyone yet. What remains to be seen is if Trump can accrue political capital until then.
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i thought trump being childish was the starting point here?

youre just insulted now because you realize you are just as childish yourself since you brought the crowd size up here pages ago
I am permitted to be childish; I am not the most powerful man in the world who should be above such trivia.
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Old 24.01.2017, 14:52
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

as there are a few yanks on this thread, can you answer me this

Why are americans so obsessed with healthcare? why do you see it as some kind of status symbol that must be denied to the lower classed?? I really can't get my head round why anyone would want to deny healthcare to anyone else, especially if you're from 'the most powerful country in the world'
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Old 24.01.2017, 14:54
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say what? i literally said a few posts ago that there are normal people (50-50 rep-dem) and zealots (mainly dem)

so no major difference between normal people, which i assume is most of us here at EF.

some of us attack zealots on the left, and some attack zealots on the right. thats cool but not really a priority at the moment imo.

you tend to have valid observations but you only apply them to the right, and all i have to do is reflect it back to the left.
i guess, as long as you dont see that what you say applies equally to all people, there might indeed be a difference between "Libs" and "Reps" (sic)...
OK, so I get what you are saying and yes, I think we are pretty much on the same page. Not everyone is a tit but there are crazies on both sides.

I've distanced myself from both ends of the political spectrum for a long time. None of it makes sense and I think it's probably intended that way.

The media has had a field day fanning the flames and keeping its profits up and its shareholders fat and happy.

I've only made my points in the direction of the right because that's Trump's territory. Hilary was also god-awful but she's faded away and Trump is the one in charge of the wheelhouse. And the best (most desperate?) excuses are to say he's doing it to "make changes" and rattle the elite.

Any knob can do that.
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Old 24.01.2017, 14:56
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

about alternative facts, before that gets out of hand as well...

imagine we have a large green apple.

a) the apple is green
b) the apple is large
c) the apple is small

can you tell the difference between an alternative fact and a false fact?
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True scrutiny of his plans should be the focus now. I worry the initial protestor noise will exhaust the public and blind them against the real worry/ every-day concerns which will become obvious as we move forward.
Like I said, people really need to bring more to the table in discussions than sentimental outrage, and talk about real things and real issues. But then, of course, by then, they would probably start sounding more like conservatives.
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about alternative facts, before that gets out of hand as well...

imagine we have a large green apple.

a) the apple is green
b) the apple is large
c) the apple is small

can you tell the difference between an alternative fact and a false fact?
"can you tell the difference between an alternative fact and a false fact?" That is easy, there is no difference Lies are lies are lies...
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Old 24.01.2017, 15:13
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say what? i literally said a few posts ago that there are normal people (50-50 rep-dem) and zealots (mainly dem)
They've gotten so effective at shutting down opposing views and stifling free speech, that people keep their opinions to themselves, and only cast it in voting booths. Meanwhile, they only hear themselves, and then are shocked by democratic results.



I'm sorry, but this is just so hilariously deserved that I truly enjoy rubbing it in. No quarters until they change the error of their ways!
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"can you tell the difference between an alternative fact and a false fact?" That is easy, there is no difference Lies are lies are lies...
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