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Sure. We could also build more aircraft carriers, or bridges to nowhere.

The $ could be much better spent on the bridges, roads, public transit, etc., and support the local construction industry in areas where people actually live, not on a needless wall in the desert.
I am sure there will be enough to go around, QE for the whole economy if you please. Inflation ahead? http://www.marketwatch.com/investing...MW_story_quote

Or maybe there will be a Gulag in the desert.

"Kodesch said investor concerns about the drop in federal prison populations over the past few years may be overdone, as the recent deceleration in the decline suggests the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010, which eliminated some minimum penalties for drug possession, is running its course.

And with private Bureau of Prisons facilities made up primarily of criminal aliens, Kodesch said recent immigration trends and a new administration with Jess Sessions nominated as attorney general should provide continued demand for those prisons."

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I imagine 50% of the people there are women. And then there is Greenwich Village, Haight, and Santa Monica if gays would like to separate themselves.
My point was it's mostly christian organisations that consistently fight against rights for anyone not white, male and hetero. Directly contradicting your point that your religion has no real impact on people.
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I've got expat friends in the US who have been pretending to be believers because they found that people suddenly stopped talking to them when they happened to mention they don't go to church.

Other friends, who are Americans themselves moved from NY to a new job in North Carolina and have experienced open hostility because their daughter wouldn't go to church with the other kids after innocently saying that her family aren't religious.

Yes.


When I moved to our home in Breckenridge, CO the first thing neighbors asked were:
1. What kind of car do you drive? (can you handle the mountain roads when winter comes or will I have to pull you out of the ditch)
2. Where you from? (Do you know what real winter looks like? or perhaps hopefully not California...)
3. Do you have a snow blower? (Can I sell you my old one)


When I moved to TN:
1: What church are you going to attend?


and nothing else.
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There is certainly fear and hatred of it. And sure there are idiots in every camp. But American heritage is of those who fled Europe because of religious persecution, and it doesn't play in interpersonal relationships legally nor civilly.

I suppose if you were to proclaim you are a satanist, but even then there are plenty of other satanists you could hang out with.

I think it is paranoia. We have plenty of people of every religion under the sun, or none at all.

I use to hang out at Hare Krishna temples with friends because they served free Indian food on Sundays.
So you are saying that religion isn't really a big thing in American society? If Trump was an atheist or wouldn't admit to his religion in the same way he keeps his taxes and medical history under wraps, nobody would give a fig and he'd still be where he is today?
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Old 25.01.2017, 17:34
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So you are saying that religion isn't really a big thing in American society?
Not anywhere where I've ever lived.

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I think for that, you can blame the Brits. A large portion of those communities are from Scottish heritage. Now, I don't know what the Brits did to the Scots, but they were sure territorial when they came to America.

I love the Scottish Americans. They've been the backbone of America. Great and amazing people.
Ah, that is why you love Trump
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Old 25.01.2017, 17:37
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My point was it's mostly christian organisations that consistently fight against rights for anyone not white, male and hetero. Directly contradicting your point that your religion has no real impact on people.
History doesn't support that assertion. First-wave Feminism was a Christian movement, as well as the emancipation of slavery and the civil rights movement, among others.
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Ah, that is why you love Trump
I wouldn't call it Love of Trump. But I sure love how he's turning things upside down. The culture needed it.
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Old 25.01.2017, 17:45
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Not anywhere where I've ever lived.

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Yea but you've been over here forever. It's got a LOT worse over the last 30 or so years
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Old 25.01.2017, 17:50
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Yea but you've been over here forever. It's got a LOT worse over the last 30 or so years
With religious people or illegal immigrants?
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Old 25.01.2017, 17:54
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History doesn't support that assertion. First-wave Feminism was a Christian movement, as well as the emancipation of slavery and the civil rights movement, among others.
Not according to anything I've read they weren't. Involved maybe in the case of the civil rights movement but certainly not prime movers.

On the other hand the KKK, the whole segregation issue, slavery (Southern Baptists anybody) have all claimed strong christian religous support.

And as for christianity's attitude to womens rights historically.....
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I wouldn't call it Love of Trump. But I sure love how he's turning things upside down. The culture needed it.
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History doesn't support that assertion. First-wave Feminism was a Christian movement, as well as the emancipation of slavery and the civil rights movement, among others.
And which institutions were opposing them?
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No.

I can't believe this is still being discussed!
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There is certainly fear and hatred of it. And sure there are idiots in every camp. But American heritage is of those who fled Europe because of religious persecution, and it doesn't play in interpersonal relationships legally nor civilly.

I suppose if you were to proclaim you are a satanist, but even then there are plenty of other satanists you could hang out with.

I think it is paranoia. We have plenty of people of every religion under the sun, or none at all.

I use to hang out at Hare Krishna temples with friends because they served free Indian food on Sundays.
I always thought they came to America over greed for gold
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No.

I can't believe this is still being discussed!
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About 18" or so. It's more symbolic than anything.
First thing that popped into my head...


Edit: Aaargh!!! Tom beat me to it. Git!
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History doesn't support that assertion. First-wave Feminism was a Christian movement, as well as the emancipation of slavery and the civil rights movement, among others.
Actually Islam was the first religion to give rights to women.

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Islam teaches that men and women are equal before God. It grants women divinely sanctioned inheritance, property, social and marriage rights, including the right to reject the terms of a proposal and to initiate divorce.
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Not according to anything I've read they weren't. Involved maybe in the case of the civil rights movement but certainly not prime movers.

On the other hand the KKK, the whole segregation issue, slavery (Southern Baptists anybody) have all claimed strong christian religous support.

And as for christianity's attitude to womens rights historically.....
So I wonder who Martin Luther King was named after, and he's not really a reverend?

Apparently, you can tilt and slice anything to try to support an assertion.

Most of the social justice movements in the US, abolition and feminism, were spearheaded by Quakers and Mennonites. You'll find names like Elizabeth Stanton, Lucretta Mott and Susan B. Anthony.

What, you thought these were started by drug induced hippies?
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