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The US President has to deal with real problems in the real world, and.those problems are ugly. If you only had an idea of some of the real things that happen in the real world, you wouldn't really be able to handle it if you can't even handle Trump.

The US President is not there for the purpose of psychological comfort of anyone and everyone in the world. He's not your Daddy. For that, look someone else. Go talk to your real daddy, talk to clergy, a friend, a therapist, or whatever.

Its an adult world, and this is a topic for adults. If you can't handle it, go focus on attention on something else.
Totally unnecessary and hypocritical comment from you, Phos.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Just an opinion...

The irony is that the old continent's right-wings seem to seek their raison d'être within Trump's unconventional discourse. Left-wings, while reacting to this, will be pulled in as well; for, I believe, it's the nature of the discourse --it devours. This also reminds me of someone's writings that friend-enemy dichotomy will cease to exist and replaced, though gradually, by good-bad client constellations. Whether this prediction could result in an existential expansion of the new world within Europe deserves a big question mark.
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It's hard to select quotes on a phone!

@DK, you have valid points, but the public in both instances were sold lies, and very cleverly manipulated by algorithms both deliberately and unintentionally, throw malicious interference from certain foreign powers into the mix and we can see how quickly and dangerously the world has flipped politically! This is the intention. So don't believe it's all down to democratical processes.
You really buy that Russia hacking story?
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Totally unnecessary and hypocritical comment from you, Phos.
Actually, it speaks volumes.

SMH.
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Old 27.01.2017, 10:09
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Maybe you folks ought to spend a week in Ciudad Juarez to get a grip on reality.
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You really buy that Russia hacking story?
Hook, line and sinker
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tell me one politician who won an election that was an exception for this rule.
Not blatant false information, that's for the likes of North Korea, China, Russia, Myanmar. And don't you think that is sad if you now expect your elected politicians to be blatantly lying to you?
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Justin Trudeau, by all accounts.
A quick google search shows he is really no different than other politicians.


10 % of his promises have been broken.

but that doesn't shock me at all-and it will probably get worse before better.
I was not a fan on him for PM, too young, too much showboating, not enough substance, but I still support him as the elected leader of Canada.

I like him as a person and a politician, but he has a long way to go to being a good PM.


But he is in many ways the opposite of Trump. Everyone likes him, so they overlook his uselessness at a leader. Many hate Trump, so they will attack every item intensely.
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Old 27.01.2017, 10:21
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Excuse the Profanity, but this made me chuckle

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Old 27.01.2017, 10:28
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Excuse the Profanity, but this made me chuckle

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Irony here is that people like him have no sense nor idea of some very harsh realities that exist in America, and use their ignorance for their own self-righteousness.

They see no "American carnage" on TV shows, so therefore it doesn't exist.

I'm sorry, it could very well be funny in a bubble outside. But imagine how that would be perceived by someone who is actually living out real horrors on the other side. They would think he's a thick ignorant bastard, don't you think?
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Old 27.01.2017, 10:35
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Whatever Trump does while in power can not be influenced by you, me or the Guardian. He was voted in by the democratic process in place in the US - however right or wrong that may be, and with the support of the House and the Senate be able to pass through pretty much whatever he wants.
I respectfully disagree.

Opinions are formed on forums like this, and at the pub, at the Stammtisch etc. Okay, you rarely get a Saul to Paul type of moment that somebody hears a good argument and turns their point of view around completely. But most people's political outllok is capable of swaying within a certain bandwidth. And then people take one argument or opinion from one place to another. Tell the OH or your beer buddy or your tennis partner or whatever that you read this interesting argument on the Internet and so on. A lot of opinion forming or at least strengthening does happen at grassroots level.

And although somebody like Trump can ignore public opinion completely, he is enough the showman that he understands the audience does matter.
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Old 27.01.2017, 10:37
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I would suspect most of us here have a much better idea of the poverty that exists in the USA (and our own home countries, for that matter) than the President who has spent his life in both a literal and metaphorical Ivory Tower.
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Not blatant false information, that's for the likes of North Korea, China, Russia, Myanmar. And don't you think that is sad if you now expect your elected politicians to be blatantly lying to you?
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You really buy that Russia hacking story?
Actually yes! It's the future of war it creates game changing political upheaval that benefits the political and economic interests of the powers carrying out the actions!

I would be more surprised if they all weren't up to it. Espionage has always been the game.
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And although somebody like Trump can ignore public opinion completely, he is enough the showman that he understands the audience does matter.
Why would Trump consider the public opinion and sensitivities of people in Europe when dealing with real life problems of the people along the Mexican border?

He's not there to please people's sensibilities, I tell you. He's trying to solve real difficult problems.
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I would suspect most of us here have a much better idea of the poverty that exists in the USA (and our own home countries, for that matter) than the President who has spent his life in both a literal and metaphorical Ivory Tower.
And so you think you can judge their situation better than them and Trump.

How does that make you any different from your imagined Trump?

You know, leftist elitists are proving to be a lot more numb to real people than the people they claim to counter. They compound it with the belief of their own righteousness. This is a retardation of that idealism. Its not going anywhere anymore in this track.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Politicians lie. They used to lie, they still lie and they will lie in the future. They lie to get elected, they lie to stay in office and they lie to achieve their own goals.

The key to winning an election is to make your lies more believable and achievable.

Elections aren't won by staunch voters - it is won by convincing swing voters that they will be better off in your new world than your rivals. You need to sell the positive. Sell the upside. Lie how great it will be.

What we have seen is the left moving towards not selling what they are good at - but knocking what the right are bad at. That only goes so far especially from the side currently wielding power. If you say something is going to be much worse to someone, and that person already believes things aren't great - they'll struggle to believe you.

Trump didn't win the election, the democrats lost it. If the democrats had spun a story of supporting the poorer states - boosting education spend, raising corporate taxes, expanding Obamacare - and pushing for a higher base wage - they'd have won - easily.
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Broken promises are not lies, lies are when you deliberately set out to deceive. Clinton lying about lewinsky is another matter entirely, he was just human. Bush and Blair told a big ole porky pie, that has had ongoing repercussions ever since, but they still haven't proved that the bad information was deliberately bad,i.e. with real alterior motives behind them! The lies of Brexit and the Presidential election have been seriously bad, with the intention of decieving the masses for personal political gain and personal egos.
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Politicians lie. They used to lie, they still lie and they will lie in the future. They lie to get elected, they lie to stay in office and they lie to achieve their own goals.

The key to winning an election is to make your lies more believable and achievable.

Elections aren't won by staunch voters - it is won by convincing swing voters that they will be better off in your new world than your rivals. You need to sell the positive. Sell the upside. Lie how great it will be.

What we have seen is the left moving towards not selling what they are good at - but knocking what the right are bad at. That only goes so far especially from the side currently wielding power. If you say something is going to be much worse to someone, and that person already believes things aren't great - they'll struggle to believe you.

Trump didn't win the election, the democrats lost it. If the democrats had spun a story of supporting the poorer states - boosting education spend, raising corporate taxes, expanding Obamacare - and pushing for a higher base wage - they'd have won - easily.

and maybe if they didn't get caught red handed screwing over the Bern!
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If the democrats had spun a story of supporting the poorer states - boosting education spend, raising corporate taxes, expanding Obamacare - and pushing for a higher base wage - they'd have won - easily.
They did, but that is all they do - spin a story. Yet the results of their work has led to deeper poverty, more crime and more marginalization. Look at any Democratic controlled areas of the US. There you would find people drowned in Democrat promises.
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