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He did promise that it would be beautiful
..and inexpensive!

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“I will build a great wall – and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me – and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words.”
It seems he's keeping his promise(s)..
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..and inexpensive!
It seems he's keeping his promise(s)..
That's because he's not a proper politician
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Jagwaugh, there are actually very specific and up-to-date datasets concerning the question you've asked above; it's possible to run some simulations regarding the feasibility of x, y, z, etc. The temporary, though governing, uncertainty within those simulations could be, among many other things, the new(?) taxation measures, incentives (subsidies, maybe) and of course, the shape of the government spending/expenditure. The political side of your question... I'm sure you've already read the Grand Inquisitor, "In the end, they will lay..."
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

TBH i'm surprised he doesn't just hire mexican bricklayers to build his great, great wall and then make mexico pay for it by just stiffing them for the wages...

McCain has come out saying that the physical barrier will not be enough - it will require supplementary gadgety, infrared, robots, etc. of all sorts to be truly effective.

cha-ching!$$$
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That's because he's not a proper politician
We'll see what good that wall it'll do.


But it'll be great, tremendous and great, and beautiful and great, and tremendous and great and inexpensive.

At least they'll have something similar to the Great Wall of China (speaking of which, I kind of imagine what "beautiful" means for Trump...ouch!), only thousands years later.
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Old 27.01.2017, 15:47
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Jagwaugh, there are actually very specific and up-to-date datasets concerning the question you've asked above; it's possible to run some simulations regarding the feasibility of x, y, z, etc. The temporary, though governing, uncertainty within those simulations could be, among many other things, the new(?) taxation measures, incentives (subsidies, maybe) and of course, the shape of the government spending/expenditure. The political side of your question... I'm sure you've already read the Grand Inquisitor, "In the end, they will lay..."
Even for a showman, salesman, and deal maker like Trump, having campaigned on "I'm going to give you back your freedom, you won't believe how much freedom, your freedom will be the bigliest..." type platform it would be a pretty amazing move if he got away with "Shaddup, I gave you enough to survive on."

Having posed himself as the new Messiah he'll need to be doing the fish and wine thing at the very least, and he'll need to be doing it soonish.
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Only in the polarized political landscape the US are in today.

Up until the 60ies bipartisan cooperation and compromises led to a fairly steady course, separation between parties was very permeable. In the following 20-30 years cooperation virtually disappeared. By the nineties the US congress was as separated by party, to not call it torn, as it is today with virtually zero bipartisan work happening.
All the fault of hippies, women's libbers, etc.

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It'll end up being a $30 billion white elephant in the desert.
Plus a billion per year to maintain it....
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Plus a billion per year to maintain it....
I'm pretty sure that if the maintenance were to be privatized then the Mexicans would gladly take all costs on.
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Old 27.01.2017, 16:03
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Plus a billion per year to maintain it....
Worth every cent, Government money driving the US economy
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All the fault of hippies, women's libbers, etc.

Tom
US politics is the result of the last 40-50 years of US politics - and the polarizing of the electorate - not helped by having 2 party system.
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Worth every cent, Government money driving the US economy
And soon Trump will invest more in rebuilding the infrastructure so stimulating the economy even more.
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Old 27.01.2017, 16:18
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Humpty Trumpty sat on a wall...
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It'll end up being a $30 billion white elephant in the desert.
My name is Bossymandias, King of Kings. Look upon my wall, ye mighty, and despair.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38737713

He continues with evidence no one else has seen.

I think he has a team of yes men who tell him whatever he wants to hear, maybe writing down numbers and handing it to him on a piece of paper with a header on it so he thinks it official.

EDIT : Acting on a hunch, I think I found the evidence he's citing, but it turns out that the idiots who cited it, cited the wrong website, votefraud.org, that website now redirects to a page that debunk the claims. http://electionnightgatekeepers.com/...llary-clinton/

What hunch? I just searched prisonplanet mentions
Nailed it:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

A tweet disowning this man's actions would go a long way...

Trump fan charged with hate crimes over JFK Muslim attack


Assault and unlawful imprisonment are among the charges for the alleged attack at JFK airport

A Massachusetts man has been charged with hate crimes for allegedly kicking a Muslim worker at New York's JFK airport and shouting expletives at her.

Robin Rhodes, 57, is accused of saying "Trump... will get rid of all of you." and blocking the woman from leaving her office in the Delta Sky Lounge.
Assault and unlawful imprisonment are among the hate crimes charges he faces, the Queens District Attorney said.
He faces up to four years in prison if convicted.

The Delta airlines employee, who wears a headscarf or hijab, was sitting in her office on Wednesday evening when Mr Rhodes is alleged to have come up to the door, sworn at her, punched the door, blocked the doorway and kicked her in the right leg.
When another individual intervened and she then left the office, he is alleged to have followed her and got down on his knees in an imitation of Muslim prayer.
Mr Rhodes is accused of shouting obscenities about Islam and the so-called Islamic State (IS) group, and saying: "Trump is here now. He will get rid of all of you. You can ask Germany, Belgium and France about these kind of people. You will see what happens."

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Fake news. Obviously paid by Hillary...

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Trump fan charged with hate crimes over JFK Muslim attack


Assault and unlawful imprisonment are among the charges for the alleged attack at JFK airport

A Massachusetts man has been charged with hate crimes for allegedly kicking a Muslim worker at New York's JFK airport and shouting expletives at her.

Robin Rhodes, 57, is accused of saying "Trump... will get rid of all of you." and blocking the woman from leaving her office in the Delta Sky Lounge.
Assault and unlawful imprisonment are among the hate crimes charges he faces, the Queens District Attorney said.
He faces up to four years in prison if convicted.

The Delta airlines employee, who wears a headscarf or hijab, was sitting in her office on Wednesday evening when Mr Rhodes is alleged to have come up to the door, sworn at her, punched the door, blocked the doorway and kicked her in the right leg.
When another individual intervened and she then left the office, he is alleged to have followed her and got down on his knees in an imitation of Muslim prayer.
Mr Rhodes is accused of shouting obscenities about Islam and the so-called Islamic State (IS) group, and saying: "Trump is here now. He will get rid of all of you. You can ask Germany, Belgium and France about these kind of people. You will see what happens."

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This may be true of particular cases. My take on "America First" was in laying down a doctrine by which government should operate and set policies for the benefit of its citizens...
America first, except when it's in Trump's business interests to put himself first. If he really walked the talk, he would have had his shirts and caps and other campaign stuff made in the USA, not in China. And his supporters would have gladly paid more for those goods. He would have used USA steel to build his buildings. So yeah, it's Trump first, then America.

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...Assuming it's even to cover the full border, which will be next to impossible in Texas as most border land is privately owned...
Don't fret about that. As mentioned by at least one other person in the thread, the USA has what's called eminent domain. It allows the government to take private land for public use, with a paltry amount of compensation. Trump favors eminent domain and has tried to use it for his developments before. I see no reason why he wouldn't use it for his tremendous, beautiful wall.
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America first, except when it's in Trump's business interests to put himself first. If he really walked the talk, he would have had his shirts and caps and other campaign stuff made in the USA, not in China. And his supporters would have gladly paid more for those goods. He would have used USA steel to build his buildings. So yeah, it's Trump first, then America.
Its about US government policies, not hats.
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Its about US government policies, not hats.
Here's an idea:

A large group of people stand in a circle.
They chant in unison "Governments, trade agreements and regulations get in the way of trade, down with governments, down with regulations!"
Someone shouts "Hats are evil if they aren't made in Idaho!"
Everyone shouts "Hats should all be made in Idaho! Down with imported hats!"
Someone asks "How can we stop evil hats which aren't from Idaho?"
Everyone shouts "The Government should introduce regulation to ban hats that aren't made in Idaho!"
There is an uncomfortable pause as everyone removes their hats.
A bunch of hats made in Idaho appear (magically).
Everyone shouts "Hail the chief, his regulations saved us from evil hats!"

You're right Phos, it isn't about hats. Nor is it about steel. Nor is it about cellphones. It's about a group of idiots standing in a circle, shouting.
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