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Well it was edot that wrote that, not marton. Still wrong though.
If there were more stringent controls in Europe it would've meant a reduced number of terrorist attacks and rapes. I don't see how you can dispute that?
I dispute it. Where's your data?

Anyway, Trump isn't above the Constitution and it's a bullshit executive order and I really hope someone has the guts to fight it.

And, why weren't other Muslim majority countries included? Oh wait....Trump has business interests in those countries.
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I didn't say don't make an effort but I am not convinced that blocking citizens of these specific countries will do much. I suppose you have to start somewhere
Yup, that’s what Trumps doing, starting somewhere.
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In terms of the wall or fence, I'm not sure how much ROI the U.S. will get get on it. You're talking 10-20 billion just to build, then annual upkeep and monitoring, to prevent how many people from entering?
Well, when something horrible happens to someone you know it’s always tragic no matter what. But if you later found out that the horrible something could’ve (and should’ve) been avoided because the perpetrator had zero rights to be in the country as he is illegally there, I think it would be maddening.

Trump said his highest duty is to protect US citizens. If the wall can stop even one US citizen from being harmed by an immigrant who is illegally in the country then I think it’s worth it.
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In terms of controls in Europe, I get the impression that most of the attacks have been done by secondos or trezos, not by newly arrived refugees or immigrants.
Some of them were, sure. But not all by any means. And if the ones committed by refugees could’ve been stopped (by extreme vetting or refusal of entry) then they should’ve been. The fact that Europe (or US) has home-grown terrorists doesn’t negate that.
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Is your argument that immigration controls for Europe should have been more strict 20+ years ago? I'd argue a combination of controls and better integration programs would be more effective than controls alone.
I’m of the opinion that Europe does quite a lot to integrate people but they can only do so much. If some people don’t have the will or want to integrate then doesn’t matter how much cash you throw at programmes, it becomes an exercise in futility.
Funny that most people seem to be able to integrate but there’s one group that really struggles with it eh? It's almost like their culture is incompatible...
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Nutters come from everywhere.
Correct. However that’s not a reason to allow more into your country

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Old 28.01.2017, 19:40
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So purely subjective, emotional, ill-conceived and unquantifiable requirements, then.
What objective , quantifiable unemotional and well-conceived requirements would you recommend ? We've all seen how having no requirements is going in Europe haven't we ? Surely having some is better than that.
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Old 28.01.2017, 19:53
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Both these articles are really worth the read.

Frightened by Donald Trump? You don’t know the half of it

The Data That Turned the World Upside Down

There are so many enlightening and frankly frightening facts related to this whole new world order. I am surprised so many people are choosing to ignore these facts and believe the stream of inconsequential nonsense pouring out of Trumps media teams arse.

This thread should be titled, will Trump destroy democracy, or has democracy destroyed itself.


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''As your President, I have no higher duty than to protect the lives of the American people''

He is putting the safety and security of all American citizens above someones hurt feelings. Finally common sense prevails.
America always did that when it could anyway. How many hostages military and civilians have been rescued by special forces for example? Its nothing new. America went to full scale war after 9/11 I don't think the good ole US of A has ever not been about the security of its citizens. Oh, wait a minute, New Orleans, when bush decided to take forever to declare a state of emergency and send in aid to the poor black people stuck there. but apart from that its always looked after the likes of you!

If Trump really wanted to protect the American people, he would bring in stricter gun legislation. Building walls is just a complete waste of resources and a distraction from what is really happening in America.
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Old 28.01.2017, 20:03
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Yup, that’s what Trumps doing, starting somewhere.

Well, when something horrible happens to someone you know it’s always tragic no matter what. But if you later found out that the horrible something could’ve (and should’ve) been avoided because the perpetrator had zero rights to be in the country as he is illegally there, I think it would be maddening.

Trump said his highest duty is to protect US citizens. If the wall can stop even one US citizen from being harmed by an immigrant who is illegally in the country then I think it’s worth it.

Some of them were, sure. But not all by any means. And if the ones committed by refugees could’ve been stopped (by extreme vetting or refusal of entry) then they should’ve been. The fact that Europe (or US) has home-grown terrorists doesn’t negate that.

I’m of the opinion that Europe does quite a lot to integrate people but they can only do so much. If some people don’t have the will or want to integrate then doesn’t matter how much cash you throw at programmes, it becomes an exercise in futility.
Funny that most people seem to be able to integrate but there’s one group that really struggles with it eh? It's almost like their culture is incompatible...

Correct. However that’s not a reason to allow more into your country
"If the wall can stop even one US citizen from being harmed by an immigrant who is illegally in the country then I think it’s worth it. " it is claimed that Trump is a business man who will make his decisions on ROI.
Time will tell

"there’s one group that really struggles with it eh? It's almost like their culture is incompatible..." Sad Xenophobic nonsense again Try saying such rubbish to the Mayor of Rotterdam or the Mayor of London.
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But apart from that its always looked after the likes of you!
And who are the likes of me?

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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.

The parallels are uncanny, this time however, they know exactly what everybody is thinking and saying, so who knows how this is going to all pan out.
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Old 28.01.2017, 20:24
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What's America ever done for me? And who are the likes of me?
Sorry I did figure from the stance you seem to be taking that you were an American. But I would hazard a guess you probably fall into the demographics of the privilidged American. As I see you are an Aussie, did you support Pauline Hanson by any chance?
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.

The parallels are uncanny, this time however, they know exactly what everybody is thinking and saying, so who knows how this is going to all pan out.
playing the Hitler card is extremely loserish. no need at all to do that.
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Sorry I did figure from the stance you seem to be taking that you were an American. But I would hazard a guess you probably fall into the demographics of the privilidged American. As I see you are an Aussie, did you support Pauline Hanson by any chance?
Nope, never voted for her. She's does make some interesting points though.

But please, keep pigeonholing me if it makes it easier for you
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Nope, never voted for her. She's does make some interesting points though.

But please, keep pigeonholing me if it makes it easier for you
You pigeonholed yourself.
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Sure if like Israel you build a wall right around the country.

If you only build a wall along your shortest border then it is like throwing pennies in a wishing well
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Not sure Trump is banning the right thing to make Americans safer.

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Scale is relevant, though. The Israeli fence (note - not an actual wall) is 245 miles long. The USA-Mexico border is 1,954 miles long. The USA already has 700 miles of fence, but you can't even compare the scope of the task at hand.

Similarly, Israel has struggled with "tens of thousands" of illegal border crossers, whereas the USA is talking hundreds of thousands. I think I saw a figure of 330K last year alone in an article I read recently.
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Similarly, Israel has struggled with "tens of thousands" of illegal border crossers, whereas the USA is talking hundreds of thousands. I think I saw a figure of 330K last year alone in an article I read recently.
330k?

Meine Güte, they should really think about upgrading that fence. Oh wait...
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Not sure Trump is banning the right thing to make Americans safer.

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Not that terrorism is not an issue, but, it isn't really the central issue that it is made out to be:

https://ourworldindata.org/terrorism/
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.

The parallels are uncanny, this time however, they know exactly what everybody is thinking and saying, so who knows how this is going to all pan out.
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playing the Hitler card is extremely loserish. no need at all to do that.
Besides, iirc in this mega thread, the quote's already been quoted. Might have been the other Trump thread though.
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Not sure Trump is banning the right thing to make Americans safer.

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Source?

I'm sceptical as i'd like to see where 9/11 fits in with that (just noticed - ''Since 9/11''. Seems a bit convenient)

Also, I was baffled when the Southern Poverty Law Centre attributed Omar Mateen to right wing terrorism
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