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it is not exactly correct. the first one that came into my mind is the battle of Mogadishu. there are probably many more examples.

but I agree: then why not the other 4 countries? perhaps too hard to explain the Americans that it makes oil more expensive
Since the subject is homeland security, it would make sense that we are mainly talking about Americans killed on their own soil.
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it is not exactly correct. the first one that came into my mind is the battle of Mogadishu. there are probably many more examples.

but I agree: then why not the other 4 countries? perhaps too hard to explain the Americans that it makes oil more expensive
Nope, America doesn't rely on M.E. oil, but these countries buy lots of American munitions and exports, and they are technically American allies in the region, and imposing a ban on Muslims from these countries might lead to them not wanting to do deals with America, they might look to Russia instead.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

You know, as an old fashioned conservative, it pissed me off when I saw the left trying to claim morality and common human decency as uniquely "progressive" qualities.

It's pissing me off even more to see the modern conservative movement letting them keep them!

I'm beginning to feel like piggy in the middle here - and I'm sure I'm not alone. On the one hand we have the preachy, puritanical knobheads of the liberal left who won't shut up about how virtuous they are, and on the other we have the alt-neo-whatever-conservatives bragging about how unpleasant they are. Neither side has much to offer normal, decent, upstanding, honest, self-respecting human beings.

A plague on both your houses! I just hope you don't drag the rest of us down with you (but I know you will, because your sorts always did and do).
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Old 29.01.2017, 11:10
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Some crazy shit happening now.
Yes, now Western countries would be crazy to share secrets with the US

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Since the subject is homeland security, it would make sense that we are mainly talking about Americans killed on their own soil.
True, the headings need reworking; something like "outside of their own [ME]countries" but shorter and catchier

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You know, as an old fashioned conservative, it pissed me off when I saw the left trying to claim morality and common human decency as uniquely "progressive" qualities.

It's pissing me off even more to see the modern conservative movement letting them keep them!

I'm beginning to feel like piggy in the middle here - and I'm sure I'm not alone. On the one hand we have the preachy, puritanical knobheads of the liberal left who won't shut up about how virtuous they are, and on the other we have the alt-neo-whatever-conservatives bragging about how unpleasant they are. Neither side has much to offer normal, decent, upstanding, honest, self-respecting human beings.

A plague on both your houses! I just hope you don't drag the rest of us down with you (but I know you will, because your sorts always did and do).
Read this somewhere about Trump

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Read this somewhere about Trump



http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...ght-now-214678
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Since the subject is homeland security, it would make sense that we are mainly talking about Americans killed on their own soil.
The idea is that if they kill Americans in other countries, they would contiue to do so if allowed into the US, so keep them out.

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The idea is that if they kill Americans in other countries, they would contiue to do so if allowed into the US, so keep them out.

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uh-huh. So an arbitrary ban on some countries where DT doesn't have business interests and include legal visa holders, who've gone through more stringent vetting than DT and his band of loons. Oh, and refugees who've been vetted for more than a year. Defies logic.

It's also a really good way to encourage terror. Or maybe DT wants to start a war to employ all of the out of work US citizens.

It's a dumb idea, imho.
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The idea is that if they kill Americans in other countries, they would contiue to do so if allowed into the US, so keep them out.

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So... by a similar argument, since Americans kill each other in such numbers, the ROW would do well to keep them all confined to that space between Canada and Mexico?
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And, why weren't other Muslim majority countries included? Oh wait....Trump has business interests in those countries.
Trump never put a ban on Muslims. The executive order was put in place to ban people from countries with high levels of terrorism to protect Americans.

Its just a coincidence that these countries all happen to be Muslim majority.
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Trump never put a ban on Muslims. The executive order was put in place to ban people from countries with high levels of terrorism to protect Americans.

Its just a coincidence that these countries all happen to be Muslim majority.
Not France, though, I notice.

Hmmmm.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

When the refugee crisis hit Europe and the Gulf countries refused to take in any (muslim) refugees, where was your guys outrage then?

"Selective outrage"
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not to mention nepotism...having your daughter and son-in-law among the staff to keep business interest and government policy aligned.
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Not France, though, I notice.

Hmmmm.
If it was about banning Muslims don't you think he would of put Indonesia on the list considering they have the biggest Muslim population?

Hmmmm.
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When the refugee crisis hit Europe and the Gulf countries refused to take in any (muslim) refugees, where was your guys outrage then?

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THE GULF STATES ARE TAKING SYRIAN REFUGEES
The numbers show that, contrary to the common view, Syrians have moved to the Gulf en masse.

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Now if you want to talk about Russia?
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The numbers show that, contrary to the common view, Syrians have moved to the Gulf en masse.

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Now if you want to talk about Russia?
Amnesty International disagrees with you.

''The six countries of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) - Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar andthe United Arab Emirates - have pledged 0 resettlement places''
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When the refugee crisis hit Europe and the Gulf countries refused to take in any (muslim) refugees, where was your guys outrage then?

"Selective outrage"
Those countries are governed by wankers anyway.

Some of us expected better of a nation built on Enlightenment values.
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If it was about banning Muslims don't you think he would of put Indonesia on the list considering they have the biggest Muslim population?

Hmmmm.
Don't worry, he will as soon as he learns the name!

Oh wait a minute, he has business interests there.
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Amnesty International disagrees with you.

''The six countries of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) - Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar andthe United Arab Emirates - have pledged 0 resettlement places''
Promising permanent visas is different from housing refugees temporarily

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So there is no disagreement between my post and the Amnesty International report
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Promising permanent visas is different from housing refugees temporarily
Actually in the Gulf countries there is no concept of 'refugees'

As I said 'selective outrage'
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