Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 165

#**3281** 29.01.2017, 15:18

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	WTF are you talking about, Phos? We're not talking about Europe. We're talking about the United States destroying the functioning governments of several sovereign states, then turning round and acting all surprised that those sovereign states don't have functioning governments any more. You'll say any old shit to "win", won't you Phos? Shame you can't be arsed to vote, though. Makes it difficult to take anything you say seriously.

Trump is fixing the US government. He's restructuring things that did not work. Whether or not I voted has nothing to do with it.

#**3282** 29.01.2017, 15:20

	Quote:	Phos
	Trump is fixing the US government. He's restructuring things that did not work. Whether or not I voted has nothing to do with it.

You're just pulling sentences out of your arse, Phos. This has nothing to do with the subject we're discussing.

The fact that you can't be bothered to take part in the democratic process tells us everything we need to know about your "opinions".

#**3283** 29.01.2017, 15:23

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	You're just pulling sentences out of your arse, Phos. This has nothing to do with the subject we're discussing. The fact that you can't be bothered to take part in the democratic process tells us everything we need to know about your "opinions".

Has nothing to do at all with what Trump is doing.

He's winning.

#**3284** 29.01.2017, 15:25

	Quote:	Phos
	Has nothing to do at all with what Trump is doing. He's winning.

You don't vote, Phos. Your opinion is just farts in the wind.

JagWaugh · #**3285** 29.01.2017, 15:27

	Quote:	Phos
	With the way the EU is going about, they are also in line. The UN has been given notice. These organisations called governments, which are actually elite social clubs, are being forced to address object reality in ways they have not been held to account before. Trump is not playing their game, and I don't see how they will manage to get Trump to play theirs. There is a bulldozer coming through to knock down old systems and structures that don't really work. Many signs of panic in Europe. It will be interesting. There are apparently many, many swamps.

Phos,

Given the amount of time you spend here on EF I'm a bit surprised that you've got any left over to watch Saturday morning cartoons, let alone mistake them for reality.

Trump may be a great many things, but he isn't what I would call a superhero, striding along alleviating Europe of it's democratic traditions and processes.

Panic? What panic? Confusion, I'll give you that, but that is a pretty normal human response when confronted with glossolalia.

kriss kross · #**3286** 29.01.2017, 15:29

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	They're just a bunch of undergraduate dickheads who think they're doing something new and clever: basically, hippies/punks/crusties/insert-childish-cult-of-the-decade for the year 2017.

It almost sounds like you’re a bit jealous because you ''old fashioned conservatives'' had your chances and you failed. Repeatedly.

Me thinks it's time to let the young’uns take the reins and make the whole world great again!

#**3287** 29.01.2017, 15:32

	Quote:	kriss kross
	It almost sounds like you’re a bit jealous because you ''old fashioned conservatives'' had your chances and you failed. Repeatedly. Me thinks it's time to let the young’uns take the reins and make the whole world great again!

History shows us that whenever the "young'uns" take the reins to "make the whole world great again", lots of people end up dead.

Every single time.

Without fail.

I don't find that a particularly enticing prospect.

#**3288** 29.01.2017, 15:37

	Quote:	JagWaugh
	Panic? What panic? Confusion, I'll give you that, but that is a pretty normal human response when confronted with glossolalia.

Holland and Merkel now saying they need to act with urgency. France and Germany talking about a firm stand against Trump. An emergency meeting of EU foreign ministers to discuss Trump over dinner, which a few do not attend, and they go nothing out of it apart from a nice dinner.

Hollande talking about "teaching" Trump, while he has 4% approval rating.

This is going to be fun.

Trump is no superman, but he has considerable weight and momentum, while the EU is barely capable of solving any real problems. It will cause some changes they do not want, and they know it.

pilatus1 · #**3289** 29.01.2017, 15:38

	Quote:	Phos
	These organisations called governments, which are actually elite social clubs, are being forced to address object reality in ways they have not been held to account before. Trump is not playing their game, and I don't see how they will manage to get Trump to play theirs. There is a bulldozer coming through to knock down old systems and structures that don't really work. Many signs of panic in Europe. It will be interesting. There are apparently many, many swamps.

All true. However, Trump just wants to replace their elite social club clique with his elite social club clique - and the alt-right agenda comes with it.

#**3290** 29.01.2017, 15:38

Young'uns, eh?

pilatus1 · #**3291** 29.01.2017, 15:43

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	History shows us that whenever the "young'uns" take the reins to "make the whole world great again", lots of people end up dead. Every single time. Without fail. I don't find that a particularly enticing prospect.

"Four legs good, two legs better!"

JagWaugh · #**3292** 29.01.2017, 15:44

	Quote:	Phos
	Holland and Merkel now saying they need to act with urgency. France and Germany talking about a firm stand against Trump. An emergency meeting of EU foreign ministers to discuss Trump over dinner, which a few do not attend, and they go nothing out of it apart from a nice dinner. Hollande talking about "teaching" Trump, while he has 4% approval rating. This is going to be fun. Trump is no superman, but he has considerable weight and momentum, while the EU is barely capable of solving any real problems. It will cause some changes they do not want, and they know it.

That is a different kind of swamp (one where the union needs to do stuff to demonstrate that it is powerful enough to resist whatever it's citizens recoil from).

I doubt it will be fun. It will probably result in a trade war, from which no side will benefit, and it may result in some fairly extreme govts within the EU. The former is something that Trump can trigger, the latter is the result of tensions within the EU which precede Trump's candidacy and election.

manwithnoname · #**3293** 29.01.2017, 15:50

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	History shows us that whenever the "young'uns" take the reins to "make the whole world great again", lots of people end up dead. Every single time. Without fail. I don't find that a particularly enticing prospect.

lol who's the dramaqueen now?

#**3294** 29.01.2017, 16:32

	Quote:	manwithnoname
	lol who's the dramaqueen now?

What? You never heard of the Bolsheviks, Armenia, Smyrna, the Kulaks, the Great Leap Forward, Pol Pot and Viet Nam?

See - I didn't even have to Godwinise the thread to demonstrate your ignorance of recent history.

kriss kross · #**3295** 29.01.2017, 16:45

Trump telling it like it is

#**3296** 29.01.2017, 16:50

	Quote:	pilatus1
	All true. However, Trump just wants to replace their elite social club clique with his elite social club clique - and the alt-right agenda comes with it.

We haven't seen that yet. On Friday, he signed an order banning his cabinet from 5 years of lobbying after their tenure, and a lifetime ban on lobbying for foreign governments. Congressional term limits is another interesting idea, which will likely meet fierce resistance.

	Quote:	JagWaugh
	That is a different kind of swamp (one where the union needs to do stuff to demonstrate that it is powerful enough to resist whatever it's citizens recoil from). I doubt it will be fun. It will probably result in a trade war, from which no side will benefit, and it may result in some fairly extreme govts within the EU. The former is something that Trump can trigger, the latter is the result of tensions within the EU which precede Trump's candidacy and election.

So far, most arguments against Trump are soothsayings. Prophecies of doom.

It generates a lot of noise, but they don't really provide a lot of valuable input. It only prevents people from paying attention. Looks like he will be moving along regardless of it, while it seems his base understands. It is what he said he would do.

manwithnoname · #**3297** 29.01.2017, 17:20

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	What? You never heard of the Bolsheviks, Armenia, Smyrna, the Kulaks, the Great Leap Forward, Pol Pot and Viet Nam? See - I didn't even have to Godwinise the thread to demonstrate your ignorance of recent history.

looks like your examples are pretty much exclusively left wing? but im sure there were a couple of 20-40 year olds involved as well.

how interesting, btw, in light of the current violence from our anarchist-communist-islamist-feminist-millennials.

kriss kross · #**3298** 29.01.2017, 17:27

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	Federal judge stays deportations under Trump Muslim country travel ban

	Quote:	marton
	Nice reminder for Trump, that like May, he is not above the law.

Trump Immigration Ban Still In Place Despite Court Ruling

parnell · #**3299** 29.01.2017, 17:29

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	“President Trump is right,” tweeted Netanyahu, who is trying to forge a better relationship with Trump than the one he had with previous President Obama. “I built a wall along Israel's southern border. It stopped all illegal immigration. Great success. Great idea.” The southern wall in Israel -- completed in 2013 after two years of construction and paid for by Israel -- is not the West Bank barrier, built to end terror attacks launched from Palestinian Arab cities. The barrier was built because Israel was facing problems from the influx of tens of thousands of African illegal immigrants through Egypt -- mostly from Eritrea, Sudan, Ethiopia, Ivory Coast and Nigeria and seeking employment and asylum. Many of the immigrants were escaping the atrocities in Darfur, but their arrival also coincided with an spike in crime, more burden on the Israeli health system and other social problems.

Oh golly gee... well funny how the whole world didn't come out and call the Israelis Nazis as a result of wanting to protect themselves but in Europe or the US they do....

cannut · #**3300** 29.01.2017, 17:31

	Quote:	manwithnoname
	looks like your examples are pretty much exclusively left wing? but im sure there were a couple of 20-40 year olds involved as well. how interesting, btw, in light of the current violence from our anarchist-communist-islamist-feminist-millennials.

DB is to polite to mention "Grenada "http://www.englishforum.ch/images/smilies/wink.gif