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We haven't seen that yet. On Friday, he signed an order banning his cabinet from 5 years of lobbying after their tenure, and a lifetime ban on lobbying for foreign governments. Congressional term limits is another interesting idea, which will likely meet fierce resistance.



So far, most arguments against Trump are soothsayings. Prophecies of doom. It generates a lot of noise, but they don't really provide a lot of valuable input. It only prevents people from paying attention. Looks like he will be moving along regardless of it, while it seems his base understands. It is what he said he would do.
These orders he's signed... are they somehow different from the ones Obama signed to institute, for example, Obamacare? Is Trump using magic ink, or magic paper, or some other ugely invincible force?

Trump isn't going to effect lasting change. He will put his mark on his tenure, same as everyone who went before him, same as anyone who went after him.

While you are busy sneering at anyone who is critical of Trump, you seem to have stopped paying attention to the fact that he isn't as all powerful as you seem to think he is.

So far, he's done nothing other than generate noise himself. The public will eventually grow tired of that.
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Oh golly gee... well funny how the whole world didn't come out and call the Israelis Nazis as a result of wanting to protect themselves but in Europe or the US they do....
No, I can't imagine what was holding them back...
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Old 29.01.2017, 17:40
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lol who's the dramaqueen now?
I can hardly wait for the Academy Awards this year.
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Old 29.01.2017, 17:45
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These orders he's signed... are they somehow different from the ones Obama signed to institute, for example, Obamacare? Is Trump using magic ink, or magic paper, or some other ugely invincible force?

Trump isn't going to effect lasting change. He will put his mark on his tenure, same as everyone who went before him, same as anyone who went after him.

While you are busy sneering at anyone who is critical of Trump, you seem to have stopped paying attention to the fact that he isn't as all powerful as you seem to think he is.

So far, he's done nothing other than generate noise himself. The public will eventually grow tired of that.
So is Trump a dictator or not? Would you make up your mind?

The US is not structured for dictatorship, and couldn't practically be overtaken by fascists. We have checks and balances, as you just saw. A judge can hold back the implementation of some parts executive orders.

Executive Orders do not provide long lasting changes. The passing of congressional legislation, constitutional amendments, and Supreme Court justice appoints are what bring lasting change.

He just finished Week 1 with no cabinet. With a cabinet, his firepower increases exponentially.
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No, I can't imagine what was holding them back...
Common sense and guts are not in short supply in Israel - US and EU not doing so well on either score.
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You must be one of them which reads only the last page of a book

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Do you even read what you post, or do you just assume any headline you like means "I WIN!"?

The stay was a partial stay. It didn't stop the entire order. That was clear from the start. From the article you just posted,
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The stay will prevent the government from deporting citizens from the affected countries that had already arrived in the U.S.The ACLU estimated that around 200 people would be affected by the ruling.

For travelers outside of the U.S. however, even those with valid visas, the ruling will not change the restrictions imposed on them by the order.
Another article here. The legal challenges are just starting, I think.

So no, Trump is not above the law.
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So far, he's done nothing other than generate noise himself. The public will eventually grow tired of that.
I didn't support Trump - I think he's a liar and bereft of honour. Having said all that I do believe he cares much more deeply about his country and the welfare of his citzens than Angela Merkel and will serve them better.

I'm astonished he's been able to survive Russian prostitute pee gate , get started on the wall and move on extreme vetting within one week. You really think that's just noise ??
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So no, Trump is not above the law.
I never said he was. I'm not the one who thinks he's Hitler here

We'll see what happens. In the meantime, there's no need to be a sore loser.
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Old 29.01.2017, 17:57
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So is Trump a dictator or not? Would you make up your mind?

The US is not structured for dictatorship, and couldn't practically be overtaken by fascists. We have checks and balances, as you just saw. A judge can hold back the implementation of some parts executive orders.

Executive Orders do not provide long lasting changes. The passing of congressional legislation, constitutional amendments, and Supreme Court justice appoints are what bring lasting change.

He just finished Week 1 with no cabinet. With a cabinet, his firepower increases exponentially.
Where on earth do you get the idea that I think Trump is a dictator? I don't doubt in the least that he would prefer to be a dictator, I suspect that if nothing were to stand in his way he would become a dictator, but as you point out... there is that whole checks and balances thing.

Until now, Trump has been ruler of Trumpville, he's only had to concern himself with cheques and balances.

All he had to do to finish the first week was keep breathing. Even with a cabinet, his "firepower" remains limited by the checks and balances.

He is "just" a president. Time will tell.
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Where on earth do you get the idea that I think Trump is a dictator?
Maybe I confused with some of the more hysterical ones, maybe. Just maybe.
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Old 29.01.2017, 18:25
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Trump is fixing the US government. He's restructuring things that did not work. Whether or not I voted has nothing to do with it.
Indeed he is filling the Govt. with family and cronies, replacing the swamp with the quagmire
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Old 29.01.2017, 18:30
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Maybe I confused with some of the more hysterical ones, maybe. Just maybe.
And in doing so, you responded with precisely the kind of hysteria which you claim to eschew.

Bravo. If you can't respond to the question, change the subject.
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Old 29.01.2017, 18:33
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It almost sounds like you’re a bit jealous because you ''old fashioned conservatives'' had your chances and you failed. Repeatedly.

Me thinks it's time to let the young’uns take the reins and make the whole world great again!
You mean the young’uns like the 70 year old Trump or his Cabinet who average 62?

It seems DB is correct and you pull your sentences from where the sun does not shine
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You must be one of theme them which reads only the last page off of a book
FTFY.

Sorry what were you saying about reading books?
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Why did you not mention that they are already starting to back down after this court ruling?

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A DHS spokesperson on Saturday told the Associated Press that foreign-born U.S. residents who could have been barred from re-entering the United States under Trump's immigration order have been allowed back into the country.
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I never said he was. I'm not the one who thinks he's Hitler here

We'll see what happens. In the meantime, there's no need to be a sore loser.
"Sore Loser" you mean the man who said "my inauguration crowd was the biggest ever" in the face of all the evidence showing the opposite?
Or the man who said I lost the popular vote because 3 million illegals voted for Hillary; also in the face of all the evidence showing the opposite?
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Why did you not mention that they are already starting to back down after this court ruling?

From your link
Trump and DHS do not seem to be backing down, rather doubling down.

The court order was for those affected by how ICE went hung-ho in implementing the executive order. Contrary to the hystericals, the objective of the Executive Order is NOT to bar Muslims from entering the country. It is to implement an accountable process for vetting those who will be coming in.

Once there is a reliable way of vetting, and those coming in are trackable, the process will be re-opened.

Hypocritically, the Europeans who are criticising the US now will likely ask for use of the same vetting process the US develops. :roll eyes: That kind of spinelessness is how European leaders have always behaved. I'd like to see Trump kick Juncker's ass.
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Petition to withdraw the offer of a State Visit to Trump has reached 350,000.

"Calls are being made to cancel a proposed state visit to the UK by President Trump after he issued an executive order clamping down on immigration to the US."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38788388

Say Trump doesn't want to meet Prince Charles. I'm not surprised given his stance on climate change. Would love to know what Prince Philip has been saying about Trump.
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