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Old 29.01.2017, 23:50
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Try to participate in democracy next time, instead of bleating on the internet like a deranged sheep, Phos.



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Old 29.01.2017, 23:52
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Quite right, but if you were to have one modicum of respect for those that have given the ultimate sacrifice to ensure you have that right, you would perhaps drop the snippy flippancy which is showing you up for what you are.

Choosing not to vote is also your good right but the shitty way you are crowing about it is pretty close to the shrillness you warble on about in the rest of the thread.
For foreigner libtards melting down and insulting the US about the Donald winning? I'd say it could be one of the things they fought for.
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For foreigner libtards melting down and insulting the US about the Donald winning? I'd say it could be one of the things they fought for.
What's a libtard?
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But this? This is a whole other level, a level I never thought any developed country would ever be capable of. "Disgrace" doesn't even begin to describe it.
WH said they've only held about 200 people. Is it an Apocalypse?
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WH said they've only held about 200 people. Is it an Apocalypse?
One is too many.

I doubt the WH are telling the truth; so far they have lied about most things
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Old 30.01.2017, 00:01
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Really ???

Funny thing even ol Bill was smarter than the dumbasses we have now - and worse the cheerleaders for their stupidity.
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Old 30.01.2017, 00:03
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One is too many terrorist.
...is likely their guiding policy
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The latest Trump Tweet:

The joint statement of former presidential candidates John McCain & Lindsey Graham is wrong - they are sadly weak on immigration. The two...

...Senators should focus their energies on ISIS, illegal immigration and border security instead of always looking to start World War III.


Which is a reply to this:

Statement by Sens. McCain and Graham today:

“Our government has a responsibility to defend our borders, but we must do so in a way that makes us safer and upholds all that is decent and exceptional about our nation.

“It is clear from the confusion at our airports across the nation that President Trump’s executive order was not properly vetted. We are particularly concerned by reports that this order went into effect with little to no consultation with the Departments of State, Defense, Justice, and Homeland Security.

“Such a hasty process risks harmful results. We should not stop green-card holders from returning to the country they call home. We should not stop those who have served as interpreters for our military and diplomats from seeking refuge in the country they risked their lives to help. And we should not turn our backs on those refugees who have been shown through extensive vetting to pose no demonstrable threat to our nation, and who have suffered unspeakable horrors, most of them women and children.

“Ultimately, we fear this executive order will become a self-inflicted wound in the fight against terrorism. At this very moment, American troops are fighting side-by-side with our Iraqi partners to defeat ISIL. But this executive order bans Iraqi pilots from coming to military bases in Arizona to fight our common enemies. Our most important allies in the fight against ISIL are the vast majority of Muslims who reject its apocalyptic ideology of hatred. This executive order sends a signal, intended or not, that America does not want Muslims coming into our country. That is why we fear this executive order may do more to help terrorist recruitment than improve our security.”

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/...on-immigration
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They compel you to vote in your "democracy"?

That's not how ours work. And even if you vote for the losing side, you still line up behind the president.

You know nothing about our liberties breakfast.
But Phos, you yourself are constantly on about how your democracy wasn't working, about how the place had been hijacked by the lyin press, and the libtards.


Perhaps, just perhaps, if the population had bothered to get out and vote in greater numbers in the past it wouldn't have got bad enough that Trump, and all his dire measures would have been needed.

You can't have your Texas sized steak and eat it too, neither can Trump (though his is a bit uger than yours).

Trump shouted "Shit, or get off the pot!" at the political apparatus. Fair enough. He's called the press liars, fair enough. Neither of these pure evils arose out of nothing - they arose out of the fact that generations have not bothered their arses to get out and vote, and that the population doesn't seem to be able to recognise or accept that things in the US aren't perfectly fine as they are.
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Old 30.01.2017, 00:15
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But Phos, you yourself are constantly on about how your democracy wasn't working, about how the place had been hijacked by the lyin press, and the libtards.
With a choice between Trump and Hillary, neither of whom inspired me, a non vote means "None of the above". They need to earn the vote.

Silly sub-topic about voting and not voting. It's over, get over it. Trump Won!!!!

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Old 30.01.2017, 00:17
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...is likely their guiding policy
Probably is their policy but if you look at the results and the reactions both in the US and Worldwide then you see it is a very poorly implemented and explained policy.

I liked the comment from the first Federal judge to rule against this; "Clearly they have not thought this one through".

Sadly Trump's team are not strong enough to force him to carry out proper risk reviews and to provide proper instructions to the poor officials at the entry points who are supposed to implement the policy.

Representative Don Beyer is at Washington Dulles airport, with Congress colleagues Gerry Connolly and Jamie Raskin
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We have a constitutional crisis today. Four Members of Congress asked CBP [Border and Customs Patrol] officials to enforce a federal court order and were turned away.
He claims dozens of people reportedly remain detained and this just one airport
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well, I would be pissed spending ages in a plane + 2-3 hours standing in line to be told that you are not allowed in even if you had a green card...
I just flew into the US a few hours ago. Funny- no sign of "chaos" and no real lines or disruption.

BTW- other than yesterday, the less than 1% that are affected by this are now being screened prior to boarding flights to the US.

As I tell my OH, Trump is a complete F-Tard, but some of what he is trying to do makes sense. And if not, I have faith in our system of "checks and balances."

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Old 30.01.2017, 00:23
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The latest Trump Tweet:

The joint statement of former presidential candidates John McCain & Lindsey Graham is wrong - they are sadly weak on immigration. The two...

...Senators should focus their energies on ISIS, illegal immigration and border security instead of always looking to start World War III.


Which is a reply to this:

Statement by Sens. McCain and Graham today:

“Our government has a responsibility to defend our borders, but we must do so in a way that makes us safer and upholds all that is decent and exceptional about our nation.

“It is clear from the confusion at our airports across the nation that President Trump’s executive order was not properly vetted. We are particularly concerned by reports that this order went into effect with little to no consultation with the Departments of State, Defense, Justice, and Homeland Security.

“Such a hasty process risks harmful results. We should not stop green-card holders from returning to the country they call home. We should not stop those who have served as interpreters for our military and diplomats from seeking refuge in the country they risked their lives to help. And we should not turn our backs on those refugees who have been shown through extensive vetting to pose no demonstrable threat to our nation, and who have suffered unspeakable horrors, most of them women and children.

“Ultimately, we fear this executive order will become a self-inflicted wound in the fight against terrorism. At this very moment, American troops are fighting side-by-side with our Iraqi partners to defeat ISIL. But this executive order bans Iraqi pilots from coming to military bases in Arizona to fight our common enemies. Our most important allies in the fight against ISIL are the vast majority of Muslims who reject its apocalyptic ideology of hatred. This executive order sends a signal, intended or not, that America does not want Muslims coming into our country. That is why we fear this executive order may do more to help terrorist recruitment than improve our security.”

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/...on-immigration
Trump cannot resist sticking the knife in can he? Quote "former presidential candidates", he is saying I won and you did not; which is true but is no excuse for his actions
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The over-reactions don't really account for much anyway. The WH will likely double down on this unfazed

I expect a lot of countries to follow suit with what the US is doing today. European countries should do it, if they cared enough about the safety of their own people. It is only the proper was to run a country.
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With a choice between Trump and Hillary, neither of whom inspired me, a non vote means "None of the above". They need to earn the vote.

Silly sub-topic about voting and not voting. It's over, get over it. Trump Won!!!!

So... in your own words... Trump didn't earn your vote? i.e. you didn't have enough confidence in him to vote for him.

Jesus wept, you really are a packet.
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With a choice between Trump and Hillary, neither of whom inspired me, a non vote means "None of the above". They need to earn the vote.

Silly sub-topic about voting and not voting. It's over, get over it. Trump Won!!!!

I completely understand your arguement - given how voting works in the US.

but

if you are really such a fanboi, one would expect the effort.

Just sayin'...
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The over-reactions don't really account for much anyway. The WH will likely double down on this unfazed

I expect a lot of countries to follow suit with what the US is doing today. European countries should do it, if they cared enough about the safety of their own people. It is only the proper was to run a country.
The reactions actually do count; they have forced Trump to write a new statement where he is trying to hide behind Obama and he is also tweeting against Senators.

Why would other countries do something that is so deeply unpopular with their citizens; they are not nuts!

Where are the popular demonstrations supporting this latest Trump gaffe?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

If California was even close, I might have voted, and it wouldn't have been for Hillary.

Looking at the turnout of the election map, realizing the kinds of people who voted for Trump in the upper midwest, I was actually moved for the people, not so much Trump. It takes a lot to vote for a guy like Trump. I can empathize with them.


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if you are really such a fanboi, one would expect the effort.
I'm enjoying seeing Trump take action. The man is trying to fix his country. The more people meltdown for imaginary non-issues, the more I sympathize with him. I think there are many things Trumped will be proved right on, as many of the arguments used against him are so wrong.
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I just flew into the US a few hours ago. Funny- no sign of "chaos" and no real lines or disruption.

BTW- other than yesterday, the less than 1% that are affected by this are now being screened prior to boarding flights to the US.

As I tell my OH, Trump is a complete F-Tard, but some of what he is trying to do makes sense. And if not, I have faith in our system of "checks and balances."

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"the less than 1% that are affected by this are now being screened prior to boarding flights to the US." But why, the official statement claims the only people involved are the ones flying direct from the countries listed - clearly not true

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Our immigration lawyers have advised all employees who are citizens of the targeted countries and who are legally working in the USA (via visas, green cards, etc.) to not leave the country, and if already outside the USA, to make arrangements with our lawyers prior to attempting to come back to the USA from any country.

Can you imagine having gone through extreme vetting to get that green card, and being told you cannot leave the country, or that you are no longer welcome to go back to the country you call home?

They are seriously deluded if they think this is going to reduce terrorist attacks - which are still a tiny number compared to the damage inflicted on a daily basis by TrueAmerican crazies with easy access to firearms. This executive order is only creating issues, not just for the nationals of the targeted countries, but also for Americans traveling, working and serving abroad. For example, my American friends in the foreign service/international organizations who are or will be posted to certain countries are seriously concerned.

I read that a federal judge has declared it contrary to the Constitution, but we are still on the "do not travel" advisory as per above. I hope those checks and balances work, folks.
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