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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Here is a list of the anti Trump ban protests
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Here is an estimate of the numbers involved in the protests at the main locations (thanks to Reuters and AP):

Manhattan – 10,000
Washington DC – 8,000 (plus about 200 at Dulles airport)
Copley Square, Boston – 10,000
LA international airport – 4,000
Detroit Metropolitan airport – 3,000
O’Hare international, Chicago – hundreds (including 150 pro bono lawyers)
Houston downtown – 500
Indianapolis international airport – 600
Seattle – 3,000
Dallas-Fort Worth international airport – 800
Anybody have a list of the pro ban demonstrations

The Archbishop of Chicago, Cardinal Blase Cupich, said the travel orders were a “dark moment” in US history and contrary to American values.
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How many Americans will be looking to hand back their citizenship now that Trump is in power?

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only the very naieve ones. remember that Trump will be president for max 8 years.
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Old 30.01.2017, 10:53
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only the very naieve ones. remember that Trump will be president for max 8 years.
So you are saying that I should expect to see a million Social Media posts of Americans giving up their citizenship then.
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Old 30.01.2017, 11:03
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I first looked into giving it up when Bush was in power, but figured that he only had two more years to go, so I figured I'd wait and see what would happen next.

Then Obama came to power, and after a few months I'd had enough and got out.

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Depends what their reasons are. Don't most give it up because they're fed up with getting screwed for taxes from the cradle to the grave for a country they might have left long ago or maybe never even have set foot in?

I'm sure if you're a US citizen safely living in Switzerland with all its infrastructure and stability, the effects of having that orange buffoon in the White House have negligible impact on your day to day life, same as with Obama and any of them before him.
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I realize it appears Phos can do amazing things, with his taint-ripping ability to perform mental gymnastics for Trump, but giving him credit for inventing the term "libtard" is just too much.
Its too simple. This requires no mental gymnastics. They've fabricated a hysteria about a muslim ban where there isn't one. Who is the joke on?

Trump had an amazing Week 1. Lets see if he maintains the momentum in Week 2.
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I'm sure if you're a US citizen safely living in Switzerland with all its infrastructure and stability, the effects of having that orange buffoon in the White House have negligible impact on your day to day life, same as with Obama and any of them before him.
Before Obama came to power, there was no FATCA, and filing out forms to show that I owed no taxes was simply annoying.

After Obama came to power, the cost of renouncing went from $0 to $400 and then to $2350.

Swiss citizens who are also US citizens have problems opening bank accounts. My daughter had problems opening salary and rent accounts, for example, and had to resort to using old accounts as they wouldn't open new accounts for her.

So yes, Obama had a very negative impact on the lives of normal people living in Switzerland.

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Old 30.01.2017, 11:28
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So yes, Obama had a very negative impact on the lives of normal people living in Switzerland.
It could be argued that it was dishonest citizens from the last 50 years that had the negative impact. If they hadn't had siphoned money to offshore accounts and had numerous administrations not fined heavily institutions - your average honest person wouldn't have the issues.

As I posted - we ultimately get the administration/laws/policies/government/democracy we deserve.
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Depends what their reasons are. Don't most give it up because they're fed up with getting screwed for taxes from the cradle to the grave for a country they might have left long ago or maybe never even have set foot in?

I'm sure if you're a US citizen safely living in Switzerland with all its infrastructure and stability, the effects of having that orange buffoon in the White House have negligible impact on your day to day life, same as with Obama and any of them before him.
I don't think it is FATCA alone, although that seems to have been a last straw. Over the last 10-15 years I have increasingly heard Americans express dismay at how the US has become (this from both expats here, and people in the states). Perhaps my circle of contacts is non representative (no, they aren't all liberals.) I find this sad, the US has always been a destination for the hopeful -say what you will about their system, foreign affairs, social mores etc - it is a sad thing when a society loses a positive core value.
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Before Obama came to power, there was no FATCA, and filing out forms to show that I owed no taxes was simply annoying.
To be fair, that's just you, though. There are Americans I come into contact with (either friends or work colleagues) who DO have to pay taxes, as well as simply fill in the form.

I'm not saying this is the singular reason that people give up their citizenship but it's certainly an issue with US passport holders that I know.
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I find this sad, the US has always been a destination for the hopeful -say what you will about their system, foreign affairs, social mores etc - it is a sad thing when a society loses a positive core value.
This lost of value happened during Obama. I considered giving it up when the media had me convinced Hillary would win. Hillary would have totally disfigured the country. Its the emotional libtards that are ruining the country. If Trump shows more progress in reversing it, I would consider moving back.

The libtards are not the biggest group in the country, they are only the loudest.
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I don't think it is FATCA alone, although that seems to have been a last straw. Over the last 10-15 years I have increasingly heard Americans express dismay at how the US has become (this from both expats here, and people in the states). Perhaps my circle of contacts is non representative (no, they aren't all liberals.) I find this sad, the US has always been a destination for the hopeful -say what you will about their system, foreign affairs, social mores etc - it is a sad thing when a society loses a positive core value.
Bounded about for years that it is in fact harder to work your way out of poverty in the US than in any other developed country.

Back in the 80s we (Brits) looked at the US in awe and wonder - it was a fantastic place - always leading the way, with the best and newest of everything. Houses were big, lifestyles were fantastic and the world loved you.

And then the Cold War ended.
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This lost of value happened during Obama.
Like, all of it. Everything was hunky dory at the end of GWB's eight years.

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It could be argued that it was dishonest citizens from the last 50 years that had the negative impact. If they hadn't had siphoned money to offshore accounts and had numerous administrations not fined heavily institutions - your average honest person wouldn't have the issues.

As I posted - we ultimately get the administration/laws/policies/government/democracy we deserve.
OK, but were those dishonest citizens who were siphoning money to offshore accounts (physical) US residents - which I suspect is true? If this is the case, they will still do what they do unencumbered by FATCA (Just look at Trump's holdings and taxes for example)? Why should the average American citizen living abroad be made to pay for the thievery of the tax-dodging super-rich?

I really wish all Americans living abroad stood up together and refused to obey such a ridiculous rule.
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FATCA is BS. The US, as usual, is operating with its own arbitrary standards, and has ironically become one of the world's biggest tax havens.
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Like, all of it. Everything was hunky dory at the end of GWB's eight years.
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OK, but were those dishonest citizens who were siphoning money to offshore accounts (physical) US residents - which I suspect is true? If this is the case, they will still do what they do unencumbered by FATCA (Just look at Trump's holdings and taxes for example)? Why should the average American citizen living abroad be made to pay for the thievery of the tax-dodging super-rich?

I really wish all Americans living abroad stood up together and refused to obey such a ridiculous rule.
Simple - give up your citizenship!
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Simple - give up your citizenship!
I was being sarcastic. Smiley now added.
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This lost of value happened during Obama. I considered giving it up when the media had me convinced Hillary would win. Hillary would have totally disfigured the country. Its the emotional libtards that are ruining the country. If Trump shows more progress in reversing it, I would consider moving back.

The libtards are not the biggest group in the country, they are only the loudest.
Absolutely everything wrong can be attributed to Obama, and Trump is going to fix everything?

If anything Phos, what has gone wrong in the US is the ascendance of this Binary world view.

It wasn't just GWB, but he subcontracted some of it out to some friends.
It wasn't just Clinton, and his share would depend on what the meaning of "wrong" is.
It wasn't just Obama, but he gave some amazing PR.

Jefferson didn't write "Life, Liberty, and a filibuster to interdict the other guy's chances"
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Bounded about for years that it is in fact harder to work your way out of poverty in the US than in any other developed country.

Back in the 80s we (Brits) looked at the US in awe and wonder - it was a fantastic place - always leading the way, with the best and newest of everything. Houses were big, lifestyles were fantastic and the world loved you.

And then the Cold War ended.
The 80s wasn't the peak. It boomed after the Cold War. The peace dividend came in the form of technologies developed for defence deployed in the private sector, and we experienced a huge leap in productivity. The peak was around 2000. What killed it was over speculation in the market through irrational exuberance.


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Like, all of it. Everything was hunky dory at the end of GWB's eight years.
Or right before GWB. 9/11 was basically the big clutch. It gave everybody an excuse to fail.

For some people, the US is still booming. The houses are still big. The wealth just doesn't reach all 320 million people, and its creating dual realities. The wealth gap widened. People started to get a lot less ostentatious in the last 5-10 years. They are simply enjoying their luxuries in private, and avoid showing it off. It has more extreme highs and lows, and the middle lows is expanding.

The US is still pretty good if you choose your living situation wisely. This requires time, money and effort, which not everybody can afford.




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Absolutely everything wrong can be attributed to Obama, and Trump is going to fix everything?

If anything Phos, what has gone wrong in the US is the ascendance of this Binary world view.

It wasn't just GWB, but he subcontracted some of it out to some friends.
It wasn't just Clinton, and his share would depend on what the meaning of "wrong" is.
It wasn't just Obama, but he gave some amazing PR.

Jefferson didn't write "Life, Liberty, and a filibuster to interdict the other guy's chances"
You're right that it isn't really only about politics. Politicians are merely cultural opportunists who exploit and exacerbate problems most of the time.
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Its too simple. This requires no mental gymnastics. They've fabricated a hysteria about a muslim ban where there isn't one. Who is the joke on?

Trump had an amazing Week 1. Lets see if he maintains the momentum in Week 2.
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Nearly as many people protesting as attended Trumps inauguration
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