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Just gone over 1.5 Million signatures.
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Old 30.01.2017, 22:48
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Are we still outraged over the wall or has MSM decided we should focus our attention on something else?
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Old 30.01.2017, 22:50
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The delays may continue as the individuals might be held up for extra scrutiny. Same for dual citizens. But yes, they should be admitted.

I want to know if people are really being asked about their social media usage and whether or not they support Trump. And if they are asking everyone or just a subset. Of course immigration practices in the US vary from place to place.
People with green cards (permanent residents) are allowed in.

I understand the moratorium is for new visa and refugee applications.

I don't think they've released information about the vetting process yet, nor would I expect them to divulge all its details. I expect they would try to get as much information as they can, and even delve into the applicant's associations and beliefs.

They have 90 days to define the vetting process, or else they extend the moratorium.

All in all, if this helps prevent terrorist attacks in the US, it would be great for Muslims in the US. Interestingly, some muslims in the US actually support this EO for that reason.
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Old 30.01.2017, 22:52
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Are we still outraged over the wall or has MSM decided we should focus our attention on something else?
the wall is so 3rd week of January....
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Are we still outraged over the wall or has MSM decided we should focus our attention on something else?
I'm more interested in what's going on behind the door. Like, what is Bannon doing on the security committe, with no relevant experience. All these other distractions are mostly bullshit.
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Old 30.01.2017, 22:57
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Existing green card holders are allowed in. A few experienced travel delays in the beginning. Travel delay = Civil Rights? A bit of a stretch.
Seems like it was intentional, along with the inevitable U-turn.

Steve Bannon Personally Overruled DHS Decision Not to Include Green Card Holders in Travel Ban: CNN

The mayhem could have easily been avoided.
By David Edwards / Raw Story January 29, 2017

Steve Bannon, a senior adviser to President Donald Trump, personally overruled a decision by the Department of Homeland Security not to include green card holders in the president’s temporary ban on travel from Muslim countries.

Protests erupted at airports across the country over the weekend after DHS agents began enforcing an executive order signed by Trump by detaining legal permanent residents who were returning from abroad. On Saturday, a federal judge stayed the detentions and ordered the green card holders to be released, but CNN reported that the mayhem could have been avoided if the White House had listened to the guidance of DHS lawyers in the first place.

Documents obtained by CNN showed that DHS initially determined that “lawful permanent residents are not included and may continue to travel to the USA.”

But Bannon personally intervened to counter the guidance from DHS lawyers.

“The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout,” the CNN report said. “That order came from the President’s inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. Their decision held that, on a case by case basis, DHS could allow green card holders to enter the US.”

The decision led Mother Jones columnist Kevin Drum to conclude that the chaos caused by Trump’s executive order had been part of the White House plan.

“Whatever else he is, Steve Bannon is a smart guy, and he had to know that this would produce turmoil at airports around the country and widespread condemnation from the press,” Drum wrote. “In cases like this, the smart money is usually on incompetence, not malice. But this looks more like deliberate malice to me. Bannon wanted turmoil and condemnation. He wanted this executive order to get as much publicity as possible. He wanted the ACLU involved. He thinks this will be a PR win.”

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Old 30.01.2017, 23:04
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Are we still outraged over the wall or has MSM decided we should focus our attention on something else?
We? You were never outraged

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Old 30.01.2017, 23:08
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Having lived through the Iranian hostage thing, I have always been in favor of a total ban of Iranians in the US, and was really pissed off that they weren't all kicked out at the time.

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Dangnamit why don't they throw out the Japs too, remember Pearl Harbour.

Those Iranians in the States were there as they were persecuted during the revolution. Any idea how many Iranians were disappeared in Iran during that time? Did you want to kick out all the Vietnamese refugees, while America tore apart Vietnam?
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Old 30.01.2017, 23:13
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Seems like it was intentional, along with the inevitable U-turn.

Steve Bannon Personally Overruled DHS Decision Not to Include Green Card Holders in Travel Ban: CNN

The mayhem could have easily been avoided.
By David Edwards / Raw Story January 29, 2017
The loved the mayhem. It allows politicians to grandstand about their supposed moral values. Even allows some EF members to claim moral superiority over Trump.
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Old 30.01.2017, 23:15
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Those Iranians in the States were there as they were persecuted during the revolution.
Umm, no, they arrived before, and cheered it on.

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Did you want to kick out all the Vietnamese refugees, while America tore apart Vietnam?
Sometimes, as my wife's ex-husband is one.

And, all the Vietnamese refugees I know (and that's a lot, dozens at least) thank the US.

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Just gone over 1.5 Million signatures.
Theresa May signed a deal with Erdogan last week whereby UK will help develop a new fighter jet that will one day bomb Kurds.

With any luck an asteroid will strike the protesters outside Downing Street tonight.
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Old 30.01.2017, 23:18
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But that is a non story.
They had the review in 2015 and decided a pause was not necessary.

So having decided a pause was not necessary in 2015 why do you think he would now change his mind and favour a pause in 2017?
You don't see the change in tone and rhetoric? Then banning refugees "might be necessary".... today it's suddenly "un-American, unacceptable, disgraceful, etc..".

Hypocritical? Or playing political drama theater to score points?
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Old 30.01.2017, 23:23
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Seems like it was intentional, along with the inevitable U-turn.

Steve Bannon Personally Overruled DHS Decision Not to Include Green Card Holders in Travel Ban: CNN
I wonder if Bannon has executive privilege and if not could then be sued by the people impacted?
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I wonder if Bannon has executive privilege and if not could then be sued by the people impacted?
I wish.......
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Old 30.01.2017, 23:27
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Trump sure does bring out the drama queen in people.

I wonder if they simply missed their callings in life, or just could not find an acting gig. The PPFA - The Political Party of Failed Actors.

Next scene: Abortion?
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I wonder if Bannon has executive privilege and if not could then be sued by the people impacted?
It is certainly worrying that a racist, homophobic, misogynist, anti-Semitic, self-proclaimed white nationalist should have the ear of the President.
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Old 30.01.2017, 23:37
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57% of voters polled support the temporary ban
http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public...rrorist_havens

OMG, that freakin Trump guy..... He won again?

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It is certainly worrying that a racist, homophobic, misogynist, anti-Semitic, self-proclaimed white nationalist should have the ear of the President.
If he only had the ear would not be so bad; but it seems he also has the mouth and signing hand

I think Kafka has returned from the grave and is writing our script
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If he only had the ear would not be so bad; but it seems he also has the mouth and signing hand
Must have three hands then or someone else is cupping his balls and got their thumb up his arse. Trump is Bannon's glove puppet.
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Anyone care to answer how Obama stranded Cuban asylum seekers a few weeks before he left office?

The hypocrisy is soooo hilarious.
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