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Old 01.02.2017, 10:13
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

There is a big difference between a 'Presidential visit' which I would also support since you can't block the leader of our closest friend and ally and a 'State visit' with all its pomp and ceremony.

I don't believe Trump deserves to be honoured in such a fashion, especially after only a week in office. It is premature and smacks of desperation.
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Exactly. The protests against Trump's state visit are the worst possible type of virtue signalling. It's the sheer hypocrisy of it all.
Well, some consider these protests "work".

I think the rest of the world will start listening to virtue signallers when they start showing up with something constructive. Not just banners or donation requests.

The same innefficient folks mock tweeting, as a low brow political ways. What's the difference?? Tweets don't break the neighborhoods, at least.

I don't tweet, btw (had to not miss an opportunity to virtue signal myself, right?). Donate to single moms with years of unpaid child support!

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Trump's travel ban is pointless. It will achieve nothing. However he was democratically elected on a promise to do just that. The world needs to respect this.
I think the opponents are able to accept democratic voting if it represents their candidate.

The world has woken up too late. Deal with consequences. And unsolved problems that should have been addressed decades ago. And since they have not, the bad cop is doing dirty work that he inherited and being flamed for it. That is probably what I see as "work".

I wonder if the DT visit is supposed to be "collegial", instead of "pompous".
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Exactly. The protests against Trump's state visit are the worst possible type of virtue signalling. It's the sheer hypocrisy of it all.

Trump's travel ban is pointless. It will achieve nothing. However he was democratically elected on a promise to do just that. The world needs to respect this.
I'm just trying to imagine what kind of reaction would have taken place if Clinton had got elected and was now sitting comfortably in the White House, throwing in whomever she likes into the Supreme Court and whatever else she fancies.

All the Trump supporters would have drifted away, wouldn't they? Got their heads down and carried on as normal for the next four years, fully accepting and respecting their new President with no protest, no upset, just - well - exactly how the Trump supporters are telling the current protesters to behave.

Yeah, right. It would have been a total spanking shitstorm.

Actually, I think it should have been, too. Any society which is crushing its population's right to speak out, whatever their view or stance is on a dangerous path.
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Old 01.02.2017, 10:41
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There is a big difference between a 'Presidential visit' which I would also support since you can't block the leader of our closest friend and ally and a 'State visit' with all its pomp and ceremony.

I don't believe Trump deserves to be honoured in such a fashion, especially after only a week in office. It is premature and smacks of desperation.
The Queen has been honouring dictators, despots and tyrants in the form of State Visits since forever. This is no different.

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I'm just trying to imagine what kind of reaction would have taken place if Clinton had got elected and was now sitting comfortably in the White House, throwing in whomever she likes into the Supreme Court and whatever else she fancies.

All the Trump supporters would have drifted away, wouldn't they? Got their heads down and carried on as normal for the next four years, fully accepting and respecting their new President with no protest, no upset, just - well - exactly how the Trump supporters are telling the current protesters to behave.

Yeah, right. It would have been a total spanking shitstorm.
This is speculation and not worth discussing.
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Yeah, right. It would have been a total spanking shitstorm.
But only 12 of them have access to Twitter - the rest are working out whether dried weasel intestine can be dried and used as a replacement banjo string.
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Old 01.02.2017, 10:59
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Well, some consider these protests "work".

I think the rest of the world will start listening to virtue signallers when they start showing up with something constructive. Not just banners or donation requests.

The same innefficient folks mock tweeting, as a low brow political ways. What's the difference?? Tweets don't break the neighborhoods, at least.

I don't tweet, btw (had to not miss an opportunity to virtue signal myself, right?). Donate to single moms with years of unpaid child support!

I think the opponents are able to accept democratic voting if it represents their candidate.

The world has woken up too late. Deal with consequences. And unsolved problems that should have been addressed decades ago. And since they have not, the bad cop is doing dirty work that he inherited and being flamed for it. That is probably what I see as "work".

I wonder if the DT visit is supposed to be "collegial", instead of "pompous".
As is being demonstrated, Trump does not have a monopoly of Twitter.
He has done a lot to popularise it, lucky for twitter as it was starting to fade away.

Now all sorts of pro- and anti- Trump Twitter accounts are springing up which is healthy and provides a platform for different views to be promulgated.

He was trying to establish himself as "the source" to replace newspapers as the source of news and propaganda. Initially he was very successful but whether his success will continue or whether he will get drowned out by the many conflicting voices only time will tell.

The driver of change is that to start a competing newspaper you need millions but to start a Twitter account you just need some spare time and if you have the right flair you will soon reach millions of people
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This is speculation and not worth discussing.
To be fair, speculation is the very fabric of this entire topic. Why stop now?
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Now all sorts of pro- and anti- Trump Twitter accounts are springing up which is healthy and provides a platform for different views to be promulgated.
Yes, but very susceptible to the strategy of flooding twitter, Facebook, blogging, web comments, news sites, etc. with info and opinions from across the political spectrum- along with a good bit of fake or wildly exaggerated news, so that nobody can tell what is real any longer, and simply vote with gut instinct.

Post-truth.
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To be fair, speculation is the very fabric of [s]this entire topic[/] social media. Why stop now?


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This is speculation and not worth discussing.
You do know the thread title is the speculation "Will Trump be a Good President?"?

So why are you posting here
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Yes, but very susceptible to the strategy of flooding twitter, Facebook, blogging, web comments, news sites, etc. with info and opinions from across the political spectrum- along with a good bit of fake or wildly exaggerated news, so that nobody can tell what is real any longer, and simply vote with gut instinct.

Post-truth.
I don't really like nor use the term post-truth, tbh.

I think most are binging on the fruit of edutainment and infotainment. The reality is somewhere there, but it hasn't been searched for, for a long time. Nobody wanted it, until the shite hit the fan. Reality peaks through any means of communication, people can use these comm vehicles to get informed, or entertained. The choice is theirs. DT was clever and offered exactly what people asked for, what they were happy with. To march in protests now, is a bit too late. The only way to return credit to communication (how authentic or credible it is) and to its vehicles, is to have more quality expectations, quality participants (consumers decide, don't they) and people not falling for easy povs and entertainment as opposed to themselves searching for credible info. I'll say it again, there is no media conspiration, it is not worth getting into outrage for. It is business as anything else. Consumers want to buy crap, they get it delivered. And then they can march and feel better about themselves and the "actions" and "work" they are doing. And the change they are "inspiring".
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You do know the thread title is the speculation "Will Trump be a Good President?"?

So why are you posting here
Because 99% of the posts have absolutely bugger all to do with answering the question - and that include yours and mine.

As with all dialogue on the subject of Trump it deviates off to "Nazis vs Libtards" with no comment on the topic.

Firstly the question needs to be understood in terms of how "good" is measured - is it a single figure (GNP, GDP, national debt), popularity (approval rating, reelection), social measures (lower crime rate, high education results) or something else?

Secondly thought should be made to how Trump's policies will work out and whether they would achieve any of the measures defined above.

Furthermore there is how he goes about achieving his goals - if he succeeds in terms of absolute measures (including getting reelected) but international ratings are down and the "media" remain staunchly against him - would that still be enough to consider him to be a good President.

And finally, is a "Good President" simply one who gets on and does the things he was elected on? By building a wall and banning Muslims? Or is a President only considered Good if he fails to deliver his election promises?
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You do know the thread title is the speculation "Will Trump be a Good President?"?

So why are you posting here
"If Hillary would have won the Trump's supporters would have protested harder"

"No they wouldn't"

"Yes they would"

"No they wouldn't"

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I don't really like nor use the term post-truth, tbh.

I think most are binging on the fruit of edutainment and infotainment. The reality is somewhere there, but it hasn't been searched for, for a long time. Nobody wanted it, until the shite hit the fan. Reality peaks through any means of communication, people can use these comm vehicles to get informed, or entertained. The choice is theirs. DT was clever and offered exactly what people asked for, what they were happy with. To march in protests now, is a bit too late. The only way to return credit to communication (how authentic or credible it is) and to its vehicles, is to have more quality expectations, quality participants (consumers decide, don't they) and people not falling for easy povs and entertainment as opposed to themselves searching for credible info. I'll say it again, there is no media conspiration, it is not worth getting into outrage for. It is business as anything else. Consumers want to buy crap, they get it delivered. And then they can march and feel better about themselves and the "actions" and "work" they are doing. And the change they are "inspiring".
MC, I'm sure you are making a fantastic point but I have no idea what any of that means.

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"If Hillary would have won the Trump's supporters would have protested harder"

"No they wouldn't"

"Yes they would"

"No they wouldn't"

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"Trump will be a good president"

"No he won't"
"Yes he will"
"No he won't"

Is it pantomime season again?
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Because 99% of the posts have absolutely bugger all to do with answering the question - and that include yours and mine.

As with all dialogue on the subject of Trump it deviates off to "Nazis vs Libtards" with no comment on the topic.

Firstly the question needs to be understood in terms of how "good" is measured - is it a single figure (GNP, GDP, national debt), popularity (approval rating, reelection), social measures (lower crime rate, high education results) or something else?

Secondly thought should be made to how Trump's policies will work out and whether they would achieve any of the measures defined above.

Furthermore there is how he goes about achieving his goals - if he succeeds in terms of absolute measures (including getting reelected) but international ratings are down and the "media" remain staunchly against him - would that still be enough to consider him to be a good President.

And finally, is a "Good President" simply one who gets on and does the things he was elected on? By building a wall and banning Muslims? Or is a President only considered Good if he fails to deliver his election promises?
Your well reasoned posting has no place here. Pi$$ off.

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Your well reasoned posting has no place here. Pi$$ off.

Hahahah. Is it the EF hour of entertainment yet?

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"Trump will be a good president"
Well this can be debated with evidence and reasoned arguments.

The same can't be said for how many people would have turned out to protest.
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Well this can be debated with evidence and reasoned arguments.

The same can't be said for how many people would have turned out to protest.
It's different strokes for different folks. No leader anywhere can claim to be a perfect fit for all his nation.

Trump's stance of immigration or abortion might float some people's boats but be abhorrent to others. Who is right? Personally I find the act of the death penalty utterly inhumane and wrong, or a restrictive healthcare programme chained to employment is just stupid but others find these things perfectly reasonable.

It's just unfortunate that Trump has picked out a whole host of hot-button issues in his first week. Kind of like a kid in a sweet shop grabbing the big, brightly coloured instant buzz stuff which will get him noticed in the playground.

If he'd picked a raft of boring but necessary admin yawny stuff, the chances are nobody would have noticed.

But he knew that, though, didn't he..?

What a time to be alive.
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My news potushiatus means i don't see as much news but i am wondering

What has been the response of the diplomats of these 'banned' countries.. or even saudi arabia or pakistan who havn't been affected.. i'd expect a bit of tit for tat, either serious or making fun of him..
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All the Trump supporters would have drifted away, wouldn't they? Got their heads down and carried on as normal for the next four years, fully accepting and respecting their new President with no protest, no upset, just - well - exactly how the Trump supporters are telling the current protesters to behave.

Yeah, right. It would have been a total spanking shitstorm.
But you are doing what the papers do and are inventing an 'opposite' scenario which didn't happen in order to make your point. Your story is full of assumptions you use to justify current events.

Nobody can argue with invented 'what ifs'
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