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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Seems as if the Aussie PM has annoyed the Trump to the extent he hung up on him and then moaned on Twitter about it. the man is seriously unhinged.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

As an Aussie it's good for us but Trump is right when he says it's a shit deal for the US. Why would they agree to take 1250 refugees from Australia?
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As an Aussie it's good for us but Trump is right when he says it's a shit deal for the US. Why would they agree to take 1250 refugees from Australia?
Agree with this, there is no reason at all why Australia couldn't re-settle them.
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Old 02.02.2017, 09:28
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As an Aussie it's good for us but Trump is right when he says it's a shit deal for the US. Why would they agree to take 1250 refugees from Australia?
Why not? It's a drop in the ocean and had already been agreed with the previous administration. Trump complains that it wouldn't be "advantageous" for the US, but why does a little compassion have to be advantageous at all?
It's also extremely poor form to insult one of your staunchest allies for 7 decades.
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Why not? It's a drop in the ocean and had already been agreed with the previous administration
I realize that, but why would Obama agree to take refugees from Australia? Seems ridiculous.

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Trump complains that it wouldn't be "advantageous" for the US, but why does a little compassion have to be advantageous at all
Because he is running a country. Everything he does should be to the advantage of his own citizens. That should come before compassion for other people’s citizens.
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It's also extremely poor form to insult one of your staunchest allies for 7 decades.
When he sees his country getting screwed I think he has every right to express his disapproval. Turnbulll is a wanker anyway.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Again, what is 1250 refugees in a country of 325 million?
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Again, what is 1250 refugees in a country of 325 million?
A shit deal for America. There was no need for Obama to accept refugees from Australia.
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Old 02.02.2017, 09:47
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Again, what is 1250 refugees in a country of 325 million?
What is 1250 refugees in a country with a population density of 3.17 people/km2?
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A shit deal for America. There was no need for Obama to accept refugees from Australia.
Why does everything have to have a material upside? surely concepts like charity, compassion and diplomacy are also equally valid as they do more to enhance the prestige of the United States.
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Why does everything have to have a material upside? surely concepts like charity, compassion and diplomacy are also equally valid as they do more to enhance the prestige of the United States.
Do you feel the same way about rich Gulf countries in the ME?
Or are these values only expected of Western countries?
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Old 02.02.2017, 09:56
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What is 1250 refugees in a country with a population density of 3.17 people/km2?
How much of that is reasonably habitable?
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Old 02.02.2017, 10:04
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As an Aussie it's good for us but Trump is right when he says it's a shit deal for the US. Why would they agree to take 1250 refugees from Australia?
A deal is a deal; how will a country trust the US to make a new deal if they renege on this one?
How can Trump claim it is a shit deal for the US when he clearly did not know about the deal or the reasons behind it? There is always a quid pro quo.

According to all reports the Trump team were too arrogant to organise a proper handover from the various Govt. departments so probably there are more deals that Trump did not inform himself about.

It all seems to be part of the usual Trump chaos.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The whole point is that the Trump is moaning about a pre-arranged agreement that will have negligible impact on the USA or its citizens, then throwing his toys out of the pram like a petulant toddler when someone calls him up on it.
Let's face it, his two most high-profile commitments, the wall and the travel ban, will have virtually no impact on the issues they are supposedly meant to address. Most "illegal" Mexicans do not enter overland anyway, or are already in the US and have simply outstayed their visas. Secondly, not a single individual from the list of banned countries has killed a US citizen in a terror attack in the last 30 years or so.
They are merely empty and costly gestures to appease his adoring voters.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

As far as i'm aware he has accepted the deal due to the historic strong bond between our countries.

He is simply stating that it is in fact a shit deal for the US and he is questioning why it was ever made. Quite rightly too.
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Old 02.02.2017, 10:19
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Its absurd to presume to think on behalf of the US as to what American values are. Martin Schulz calls Trump "un-American", and people banging on about "American values" they don't hold themselves. Ludicrous.

As POTUS, Trump has the prerogative to decide what is in the best interest of the US, and what American values are in any given situation.

Trump is as American as any American can possibly get.
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Trump is as American as any American can possibly get.
So, ignorant and confrontational?
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So, ignorant and confrontational?
As you wish. They won't be apologetic and grovelling. They will be hard-nosed, unrelenting and will be ready to throw it down.
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How much of that is reasonably habitable?
Loads.

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As you wish. They won't be apologetic and grovelling. They will be hard-nosed, unrelenting and will be ready to throw it down.
Hmm, "apologetic and grovelling" are not antonyms of "ignorant and confrontational". Why did you choose those adjectives in particular? I think "informed and conciliatory" would be better, no?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

More interesting then whether Trump is as Amercan as American gets are these two articles:

on Steve Bannons opinions on the potential of war because of Islam and China and Christianity:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...a-sea-no-doubt
and this interesting analysis of Trumps possible intentions: https://medium.com/@jakefuentes/the-...0c5#.bg3tly26h
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