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Old 02.02.2017, 10:53
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Hmm, "apologetic and grovelling" are not antonyms of "ignorant and confrontational". Why did you choose those adjectives in particular? I think "informed and conciliatory" would be better, no?
Trump does not need to. He's a businessman and a negotiator. He knows what he has for leverage. He knows what cards he holds.

To assume that other world leaders are thin-skinned snowflakes, and can't handle a phone being slammed on them is somewhat pathetic and naive. Any national leader that cannot handle that should not be in a position to lead a country.

He'll be using this with any and all leverage to see to it that the US gets the better part of a deal. There should be no more pussy-footing. HTFU.
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Old 02.02.2017, 10:56
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As far as i'm aware he has accepted the deal due to the historic strong bond between our countries.

He is simply stating that it is in fact a shit deal for the US and he is questioning why it was ever made. Quite rightly too.
A normal president would ask the State department instead of shooting tweets into hyperspace and hoping some random idiot will tweet the answer!
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Old 02.02.2017, 10:59
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Trump does not need to. He's a businessman and a negotiator. He knows what he has for leverage. He knows what cards he holds.

To assume that other world leaders are thin-skinned snowflakes, and can't handle a phone being slammed on them is somewhat pathetic and naive. Any national leader that cannot handle that should not be in a position to lead a country.

He'll be using this with any and all leverage to see to it that the US gets the better part of a deal. There should be no more pussy-footing. HTFU.

To be honest, I don't think Trump knows much about anything. Even in his own tweet, he referred to them as "Illegal immigrants" whereas they are in fact asylum seekers and refugees; they are not the same thing.

I'm sure Turnbull probably laughed and said something along the lines of "What a twat" afterwards.
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Old 02.02.2017, 11:11
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To be honest, I don't think Trump knows much about anything. Even in his own tweet, he referred to them as "Illegal immigrants" whereas they are in fact asylum seekers and refugees; they are not the same thing.

I'm sure Turnbull probably laughed and said something along the lines of "What a twat" afterwards.
That doesn't really matter. Being a little crazy and unpredictable has a huge advantage in negotiations. We don't need brownie points.
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A normal president would ask the State department instead of shooting tweets into hyperspace and hoping some random idiot will tweet the answer!
What gave you the idea that Trump was a normal president?
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Old 02.02.2017, 11:22
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What gave you the idea that Trump was a normal president?
Finally, something we can all agree on
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Old 02.02.2017, 11:26
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That doesn't really matter. Being a little crazy and unpredictable has a huge advantage in negotiations. We don't need brownie points.
No, but you would be expected to have at least a semblance of knowledge on what you're attempting to negotiate.

I just realised; negotiating with the orange womble would be akin to negotiating with Father Jack

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Old 02.02.2017, 11:29
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No, but you would be expected to have at least a semblance of knowledge on what you're attempting to negotiate.
In regards to the deal with Australia, seeing that it holds no particular benefit to the US shows sufficient knowledge about it, no? Or what is it do you think he is missing?
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Old 02.02.2017, 11:34
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In regards to the deal with Australia, seeing that it holds no particular benefit to the US shows sufficient knowledge about it, no? Or what is it do you think he is missing?
But you do not know what the other side of the deal was?
You are just speculating there was no benefit.

Maybe Turnbull agreed to buy a squadron of fighter jets or bought the last round in the bar; like Trump who never bothered to find out we simply do not know.
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Old 02.02.2017, 11:43
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But you do not know what the other side of the deal was?
You are just speculating there was no benefit.

Maybe Turnbull agreed to buy a squadron of fighter jets or bought the last round in the bar; like Trump who never bothered to find out we simply do not know.
And so Turnbull will turn away from the US because Trump hung up on him? Are they cat-fighting housewives, or national leaders?
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Old 02.02.2017, 11:45
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Seems the deal was publicly announced last November here.

According to the article it was agreed that this would not increase the total number of refugees that the US had promised to host, just that some of them would now come via Australia.
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Old 02.02.2017, 11:49
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You got to go some to piss over the Australians.....
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Old 02.02.2017, 11:51
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Meanwhile the Australian press is having fun mocking Trump's team, for example
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Mr Trump himself used the term ban in a tweet he posted two days ago about “bad dudes” rushing into the United States:

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
If the ban were announced with a one week notice, the "bad" would rush into our country during that week. A lot of bad "dudes" out there!
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Mr Spicer’s subsequent exchange with reporters at a press conference was cringeworthy.
“So (Trump) says it’s a ban,” NBC News White House correspondent Kristen Welker put to Mr Spicer.
“He’s using the words that the media is using,” Mr Spicer responded.
“It’s his words!” fired back a reporter in the room.
Mr Spicer said the order “can’t be a ban” if people are still being allowed into the country, instead referring to it as “extreme vetting”.

OK, so, according to the Press Secretary, Mr Trump’s policy is not a “ban”, and the term “ban” is a concoction of the media.
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Seems the deal was publicly announced last November here.

According to the article it was agreed that this would not increase the total number of refugees that the US had promised to host, just that some of them would now come via Australia.
The deal was done with Obama. Trump can re-evaluate and renege.

This is Australia, which has a policy of not letting the refugees set foot on Australian soil, trying to enforce the US to take them instead?

Trump's point is that previous presidents made such deals without looking after US interests. I think he will cancel this, or find a better quid pro quo.
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The deal was done with Obama. Trump can re-evaluate and renege.

This is Australia, which has a policy of not letting the refugees set foot on Australian soil, trying to enforce the US to take them instead?

Trump's point is that previous presidents made such deals without looking after US interests. I think he will cancel this, or find a better quid pro quo.
Who said anything about "enforce"? Are you stating alternative facts again, Phos?
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Old 02.02.2017, 12:16
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Who said anything about "enforce"? Are you stating alternative facts again, Phos?
Turnbull insisting on the US take refugees, they themselves refuse to let set foot on Australia, enforcing it.

I read Spicer saying they will honor Obama's deal. But I wouldn't mind seeing Trump scrap and renegotiate it.
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Turnbull insisting on the US take refugees, they themselves refuse to let set foot on Australia, enforcing it.

I read Spicer saying they will honor Obama's deal. But I wouldn't mind seeing Trump scrap and renegotiate it.
Bigger issue at play - can America truly be trusted to do any deals near election time any more? Apparently not, since the new guy can just reverse it on a whim.

So much for those suggesting that the office of President demands respect even if you don't like the incumbent. This shows what a nonsense that premise is.
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Old 02.02.2017, 12:31
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Bigger issue at play - can America truly be trusted to do any deals near election time any more? Apparently not, since the new guy can just reverse it on a whim.

So much for those suggesting that the office of President demands respect even if you don't like the incumbent. This shows what a nonsense that premise is.
I don't think that is a factor in reconsidering the value of a deal. One can cut one's losses short and break off any deal if one wishes. He's doing it with NAFTA, and did it with TTP. The UK is doing it with the EU.

I think that is an exaggeration of "whim". Presidents have the authority to sign treaties. If there is one in this case, I'm sure it will be respected. If it is simply an executive order, it can be certainly looked at closely and re-evaluated. I don't think this is any particular treaty, it was yet another Obama giveaway.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Tweet from 11 minutes ago, has he trouble sleeping?

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If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?
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@realDonaldTrump You called Trump University a university, so pretty soon you'll be calling proper universities fake education.
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