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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

When Trump will start to bomb the hell of ISIS? It's taking too long!
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Old 02.02.2017, 13:49
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

and from the CNN fan club for Trump

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Jim Acosta ‏@Acosta 9h9 hours ago

Source familiar with Trump foreign leader calls says the POTUS convos [conversations] are turning faces "white" inside the WH.
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WH official: "Reports that the President threatened to invade Mexico are false. Even the Mexican government is disputing these reports."
How could the US invade Mexico? They would have to climb the wall
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To assume that other world leaders are also thin-skinned snowflakes,
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Old 02.02.2017, 15:01
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From what i've read the Yanks take their right to freedom of speech very seriously indeed.

Good to see Trump standing up for what's right in America.
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From what i've read the Yanks take their right to freedom of speech very seriously indeed.
He was invited. The students protested and now he's been uninvited. Whose freedom of speech has been denied exactly? He only had the right to speak at the university by invitation.
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Old 02.02.2017, 15:33
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He was invited. The students protested and now he's been uninvited. Whose freedom of speech has been denied exactly? He only had the right to speak at the university by invitation.
You call that just a protest? Good grief.

The students violenty attacked people in order to stop Milo from giving his talk and they got their way.

Here's a segment of UC Berkeley's statement:

We regret that the threats and unlawful actions of a few have interfered with the exercise of First Amendment rights on a campus that is proud of its history and legacy as home of the Free Speech Movement.
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Old 02.02.2017, 15:33
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He was invited. The students protested and now he's been uninvited. Whose freedom of speech has been denied exactly? He only had the right to speak at the university by invitation.
The thing is, why did they bother to protest anyway?

Far funnier would have been him showing up freshly scrubbed in his best suit with his prepared speech and Powerpoint presentation and nobody attends.

Maybe blow a bit of tumble-weed through the auditorium for the laughs.
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Old 02.02.2017, 15:47
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You call that just a protest? Good grief.

The students violenty attacked people in order to stop Milo from giving his talk and they got their way.

Here's a segment of UC Berkeley's statement:

We regret that the threats and unlawful actions of a few have interfered with the exercise of First Amendment rights on a campus that is proud of its history and legacy as home of the Free Speech Movement.

And here are more segments; so it was not the students!
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Maybe blow a bit of tumble-weed through the auditorium for the laughs.
Now that's the way I would have done it, but as you said, they're students...probably with a few random knobheads thrown in for good measure.

I can't help watching Milo and think he's such a wimp with his Lady Diana style head bowed looking up, passé black nail varnish, grey hair and all black garb. Reminds me of myself back in the early 80's. I know I must be getting on when I look at people like this and see nothing that I haven't seen a thousand times before. There's sod all new on the music scene, so they've reverted to 'politics' as a form of self-expression. Boring!
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I don't have any demographics for the riot last night, but when I attended Cal/Berkeley in the '80s, the typical scenario was students/student groups organized protests which got hijacked by (often) violent Bay Area locals who are, for all intents and purposes" professional agitators.

WRT nobody attending, it seems that Milo's tour has been universally well attended. I attended many presentations of speakers I respected and many whom I found odious. I didn't go to any of the events to support or protest, I went to listen and learn, and maybe ask questions or even tell them to "eff off!"

I don't understand the "echo chamber" mentality that seems SO prevalent in the SF Bay Area where I grew up. It boggles my mind that they (sorry, need to generalize for a moment) 1) only want to speak with people who share their opinions and 2) feel the need to stifle anyone who dares to come in and share their dissenting opinions/ideas.

Of course, the Left has accused the Right of the same tactics for years... but does it not appear that the pendulum has swung WAY towards the other side today?

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The thing is, why did they bother to protest anyway?

Far funnier would have been him showing up freshly scrubbed in his best suit with his prepared speech and Powerpoint presentation and nobody attends.

Maybe blow a bit of tumble-weed through the auditorium for the laughs.
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Old 02.02.2017, 16:12
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WRT nobody attending, it seems that Milo's tour has been universally well attended. I attended many presentations of speakers I respected and many whom I found odious. I didn't go to any of the events to support or protest, I went to listen and learn, and maybe ask questions or even tell them to "eff off!"
To be fair, it wasn't that serious - I also don't think he would have scrubbed up and put his best Sunday suit on and be putting the final touches to his Powerpoint presentation.

It was more in response to the ridiculously affected pomposity and pretentiousness on this thread (and the other warzone of a thread about the Alt-right) of others trying to out-snob each other with their favourite "thinkers".
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Old 02.02.2017, 16:18
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I don't have any demographics for the riot last night, but when I attended Cal/Berkeley in the '80s, the typical scenario was students/student groups organized protests which got hijacked by (often) violent Bay Area locals who are, for all intents and purposes" professional agitators.

Of course, the Left has accused the Right of the same tactics for years... but does it not appear that the pendulum has swung WAY towards the other side today?

I'm not so sure if it is necessarily Left nor Right. Certain views of Milo can go either way.

Why do you think their focus is on Milo, of all possible things they can protest about? What is it about Milo that threatens them so much as to demonstrate contempt for free speech?

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I'm not so sure if it is necessary Left nor Right. Certain views of Milo can go either way.
Agreed.

Crap analogy but... I like cake. I hate marzipan with a vengeance. Cover a cake with marzipan and, for me, you've ruined a good cake. Where Milo makes valid points, he ruins them with others and with elements of his behaviour (trolling/harassment). He sees the alt-right as a new and invigorating movement. I see it as history repeating itself yet again. This time next year, he might be promoting his new range of new wave demi-Goth knitwear, and in 30yrs time, he'll probably be doing Anchor butter or car insurance adverts.

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Why do you think their focus is on Milo, of all possible things they can protest about?
Because he was going to be in their place of learning, thus line of fire. Simples! They're students and random knobheads. I doubt they'd have had the impetus to travel far to protest against him.

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What is it about Milo that threatens them so much as to demonstrate contempt for free speech?
Now look at the language you've used there....
The students have as much right to free speech and the violence should be dealt with as a separate issue. Anyone who feels threatened by him probably needs to go home to mumsy until they've grown a pair, and the contempt is for the person, his beliefs and probably the people who decided to give those beliefs a platform. Couldn't they get any decent bands?
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Old 02.02.2017, 16:54
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Blueangel, you are way out of your depth with the topic at hand. Fduvall is from there, understands what is going on, and is much better equipped to respond with something meaningful.
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Blueangel, you are way out of your depth with the topic at hand. Fduvall is from there, understands what is going on, and is much better equipped to respond with something meaningful.
Doesn't normally stop you, though, does it? You clearly don't have the foggiest what you are talking about most of the time but you still spend all your days clamouring to be heard on these threads.

Plus who died and left you in charge of deciding who can and who cannot comment on this thread?
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Old 02.02.2017, 16:59
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Doesn't normally stop you, though, does it? You clearly don't have the foggiest what you are talking about most of the time but you still spend all your days clamouring to be heard on these threads.

Plus who died and left you in charge of deciding who and who cannot comment on this thread?
More nonsense. I'm quite aware of Northern California as I have lived there.

You might actually learn something if you listen and think more than your responding with shallow nonsense to every one of my posts.
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More nonsense. I'm quite aware of Northern California as I have lived there.

You might actually learn something if you listen and think more than your responding with shallow nonsense to every one of my posts.
Musings which are somewhat amusing, but often lacking in insight - as though you reside in a vacuum.

Actually it should be read and think, unless you're using text to voice. But that could contribute to the nonsense.
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More nonsense. I'm quite aware of Northern California as I have lived there.

You might actually learn something if you listen and think more than your responding with shallow nonsense to every one of my posts.
It would take more hours than there are in the day plus an army of typists to cover all the posts you manage to squeeze out in a 24 hour period.

I've learned plenty on this thread. Mainly from people who know what they're talking about and have a modicum of human decency. Sadly you don't fall into that bracket so I guess the one valuable thing I've learned from you, and your online persona, is the depths some people will plumb for attention.
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Old 02.02.2017, 17:14
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You're so lost and butthurt you can't even have a proper discourse about the topic. Thats a failed attempt at directing it to me. When all else fails.... LOL.
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Blueangel, you are way out of your depth with the topic at hand. Fduvall is from there, understands what is going on, and is much better equipped to respond with something meaningful.
Are you for real!
So we can go back and delete all your posts r.e. Brexit, etc...? Are you denying my free speech? Hmmm....
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