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Since being sworn in Jan. 20, Trump has been named in 52 federal cases in 17 different states, according to the Administrative Office of the United States Courts.
Comparatively, Barack Obama was named in three and George W. Bush and Bill Clinton were each named in four cases between Jan. 20 and Feb. 1.
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I think you're inventing an explanation that Conway herself didn't even give. She might want to keep that "political trick" idea in her back pocket. She used the exact term "Bowing Green Massacre" in the TV interview and has now said she meant to say "Bowing Green terrorists".

Her own tweet: https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls/s...05588808667136

More info here, but keep in mind the source isn't exactly neutral like Fox News.

I'm willing to give her a break. It's got to be hard to keep up with the spin being generated by Bannon and Trump, and kudos to her for appearing on a show like Hardball, which isn't known for fluffy questions.

Edit to add - In the U.S., the term massacre (when attached to the name of a place) generally means the killing happened at that site. Examples: Columbine, Sandy Hook, Wounded Knee.

I missed when this happened ! Please can Phos fill me in on that one .

How many Died ,where the killers from ,religion etc etc . I also would like to know about the term " Alternative Fact "
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After handcuffing a 5 years old american-iranian boy and considering him as a threat to US security, the farce of Trump's EO continues: Former Norwegian Prime Minister held for questioning at Dulles Airport because of a trip to Iran in 2014!.
Mr Bondevik is president of a human rights organization called The Oslo Center, and in 2014 he went to Iran to speak at a human rights conference there. He was very critical of the Iranian regime, but despite a diplomatic passport that stated he is an ex prime minister, he was still detained.

I hope if The Donald visits London the Queen can come up with some ancient laws that will result in him spending some time in the Tower of London.

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did you really think trump is sitting there in the oval office with his feet on the desk tapping away on his mobile phone? :d


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Much as I disliked GWB, I've never understood the mentality of people who wish to believe it was an inside job.
An inside job is just one of multiple, equally disturbing possibilities. Many very disturbing questions are still unanswered. Two main points are:

Two weeks after the collapse the debris started being removed by order of the White House, at that time investigations had barely begun. It is a criminal offense to remove evidence or obstruct criminal investigations in any way. The debris clearly is evidence, why was its removal and shipping to China for destruction ordered so incredibly soon, and why was nobody prosecuted for it?

Two jets, three steel frame skyscrapers collapsed. If the jets (the fire they ignited) were the reason for the twin tower's collapse that can't possibly be the reason for the collapse of building 7, a 170m skyscraper of its own. The NIST report says it collapsed due to fire but they were small, not one spanned more than one floor, and they were mostly extinguished by the time it collapsed. So what was the actual cause? And why do the videos of its collapse look like a poster case for a controlled demolition?

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Well, you don't need "evidence" if you already have the "evidence" you need for your case.
The "overlooked" Saudi involvement is more depressing, IMO.

But then, they'd have to invade the KSA, too and that would have been to big a bite to swallow even for the US.
So, they took the "low-hanging fruit" of Afghanistan and then Iraq, which had the additional benefit of being much easier to sell to the public than the negative influence of the Wahhabism of the KSA in the region and all that complicated Sunni vs Shia stuff that didn't matter anyway when all you wanted was to get your hands on that oil anyway...

BTW: I had to chuckle about the letter those Silicon Valley CEOs sent to Trump. It was far too long. I'm not sure he would read it if he actually had time to do so.

Would have been far better for Tim Cook to follow him on Twitter and reduce that pamphlet into two tweets (and an image).

Another thought: with Trump using Twitter in the way he does, is Twitter now "too big to fail"?
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Trump's travel ban temporarily blocked nationwide by federal judge in Seattle

District judge granted temporary restraining order effective in all US states, the broadest ruling to date against the president’s immigration directive

A federal judge in Seattle has temporarily blocked Donald Trump’s immigration travel ban on people from seven predominantly Muslim countries.

US district judge James Robart granted a temporary restraining order Friday at the request of Washington state and Minnesota that’s effective nationwide.

Trump signed an executive order last week that sparked protests across the country and confusion at airports as some travelers were detained. The ruling is the broadest to date against Trump’s directive.

Lawyers for the US government argued that the states do not have standing to challenge the order and said Congress gave the president authority to make decisions on national security and admitting immigrants.

Washington attorney general Bob Ferguson had sued, saying the order is causing significant harm to residents and effectively mandates discrimination. Minnesota joined the suit this week. Washington and Minnesota want a temporary restraining order while the court considers their lawsuit, which says key sections of the order are unconstitutional.

Washington attorney general Bob Ferguson says the state has a “profound interest” in protecting its citizens from the harms caused by what he called “the irrational discrimination” embodied in Trump’s order.

The Washington-based businesses of Amazon, Expedia and Microsoft support the state’s efforts to stop the order.

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Then you've been well trained. What does your dislike with GWB have to do with anything?
Not well trained at all.
Many people who were against GWB and the PNAC started up conspiracy theories that it was an inside job. My nature is to not believe conspiracy theories because 9 times out of 10, fact is stranger than fiction.

I also don't believe it was an inside job because the methodology was known and in the public domain for a few years prior to 9/11 that I was aware of at the time. Case in point, the attack method was addressed in a British political satire show in December 1999...either 'The Rory Bremner Show' or 'Bremner, Bird & Fortune'. Bird & Fortune did a sketch where they played to old fogey government guys discussing how they would cope with the threat of al Qaeda flying a plane into Buckingham Palace at midnight on Millennium Eve, and they decided to cover the skies over central London with barrage balloons in the shape of the Queen Mother. Similar threats had been made against the Eiffel Tower and several other landmarks.

There was also the threat of an aircraft attack on the G8 Summit in Genoa which I remember well from the time...

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According to Italy's Deputy Prime Minister Gianfranco Fini, in remarks reported by the Italian news agency ANSA, Italy told the Americans "that there was the possibility of an attack against the U.S. president using an airliner. That's why we closed the airspace and installed the [antiaircraft] missiles" around the meeting site.
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Yet with all the red flags freely reported in the public domain, and the attack on the U.S.S. Cole less than 12mths prior, plus all the kerfuffle about Clinton bombing a pill factory back in '98, people were still asking "Who are al Qaeda?", "Who is Osama Bin Laden?" which (I guess) is understandable if you don't follow the news at all.



When the bare facts of the matter and the culmination of events is so abhorrent, horrific and life changing for thousands upon thousands of your countrymen, I believe to imply that your government enacted this event, or were even complicit, has to come from a place of denial.
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An inside job is just one of multiple, equally disturbing possibilities. Many very disturbing questions are still unanswered. Two main points are:...
Disturbing questions, as the ones you've stated, I'll accept because they have a solid grounding in standard practice. There were also a lot of people at the time querying why the structural report of the towers after the '93 bombing wasn't in the public domain.

However, one thing I've learned in this life is that, no matter what we think, we don't have the automatic right to know everything.

One of my relatives was S.O.E. and involved in an event in 1940 which was smothered in The Official Secrets Act, until questions were asked in the House Of Commons when the Act was due to expire. Low and behold, the powers that be slammed a further 35 years (not completely sure of the duration) of the Secrecy Act upon it. My cousin works for GCQ and has been playing quid pro quo with them over our relative's military service records for over 20yrs, and we've got drip drip drip information over that time, but they will not budge on that one event.

Because of my family's experience, I don't believe any of us will know the full facts of 9/11 in our lifetime. Maybe your grandchildren will know, but not us. That's the nature of these things.
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I was hoping he would be America's ace in the hole. Well, I was nearly right.
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I hope if The Donald visits London the Queen can come up with some ancient laws that will result in him spending some time in the Tower of London.
We know what Trump is like, so I wouldn't rule out him wanting a tour in an open air double decker bus and trip to Madam Tussaud's thrown in as well.
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Not well trained at all.
Many people who were against GWB and the PNAC started up conspiracy theories that it was an inside job. My nature is to not believe conspiracy theories because 9 times out of 10, fact is stranger than fiction.

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"My nature is to not believe conspiracy theories" Me too.
To organise something the size of 9/11 you would need a lot of people involved. The more people then the more chance of a leak as time goes on and the possibilities of death bed confessions, bad consciences, &&&&

In an age with Snowden, Wikileaks, Russian hacking, whistle blowing it is hard to believe such a conspiracy could be kept secret, of course, anything is possible!

Rather than a complicated conspiracy maybe it is was simple as they wanted to cover up if the construction was sub-standard?
Certainly there were claims they had to reinforce the core of the buildings because the floor loadings were heavier than expected?
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But the same report said "the unemployment rate ticked up slightly to 4.8%."
That could be due to more people seeking work that had previously said they weren't.

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did you really think trump is sitting there in the oval office with his feet on the desk tapping away on his mobile phone?
Yep, me 3. Well, this weekend he's in Florida so maybe we'll get some fun tweets from the golf course.

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Trump's travel ban temporarily blocked nationwide by federal judge in Seattle
What's interesting is this judge is a Bush 43 appointee. I have a feeling this will wind up at the Supreme Court eventually, but will Gorsuch have been approved by that time? Will he vote in Trump's favor? And how much money will this legal wrangling cost taxpayers?
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What happens if you try to appoint an honest man!

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I won't turn this Trump thread into a WTC thread, but:

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Many people who were against GWB and the PNAC started up conspiracy theories that it was an inside job.
Along with many people who don't trust the official gov't narrative, no matter who is in office..

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My nature is to not believe conspiracy theories because 9 times out of 10, fact is stranger than fiction.
Maybe i'm daft - could you please explain what this means? Also, please define 'conspiracy theory' - you've already presupposed that theories involving conspiracies are fiction (at least I think that is what you are getting at) - as if people have never conspired before, and that people that question any official narrative must be clinging to ficticious beliefs.

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I also don't believe it was an inside job because the methodology was known and in the public domain for a few years prior to 9/11 that I was aware of at the time.....
So ,following that logic: in order for it to have been an 'inside job', some new sort of methodology would have had to have been used?

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When the bare facts of the matter and the culmination of events is so abhorrent, horrific and life changing for thousands upon thousands of your countrymen, I believe to imply that your government enacted this event, or were even complicit, has to come from a place of denial.
You're right. Surely the US gov't would never think about attacking it's own people. Only depraved, power driven psychopaths like that evil Stalin, Hussein, Gaddafi, (insert leader of country that the US has competing interests with) would do such a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods



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However, one thing I've learned in this life is that, no matter what we think, we don't have the automatic right to know everything.

One of my relatives was S.O.E. and involved in an event in 1940 which was smothered in The Official Secrets Act, until questions were asked in the House Of Commons when the Act was due to expire. Low and behold, the powers that be slammed a further 35 years (not completely sure of the duration) of the Secrecy Act upon it. My cousin works for GCQ and has been playing quid pro quo with them over our relative's military service records for over 20yrs, and we've got drip drip drip information over that time, but they will not budge on that one event.

Because of my family's experience, I don't believe any of us will know the full facts of 9/11 in our lifetime. Maybe your grandchildren will know, but not us. That's the nature of these things.
Right, so the S.O.E. was doing some illegal and probably morally questionable things and your relative was somehow involved, either as victim or perpetrator or both. Now they are still covering it up, because it would expose the gov't as criminal. Or do you think that some intel from 1940 is still a 'national security' concern of sorts? - it probably is, it would weaken the UK gov'ts support and confidence from it's own people.

'We don't have an automatic right to know everything' - Have you ever read Kafka's The Trial?
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I won't turn this Trump thread into a WTC thread, but...
Yes, please let's not drag this thread OT any more than it already is. If you want a WTC thread, there's bound to be one or someone can start one. Don't make me go splitting threads, it never turns out well.
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Trump's travel ban temporarily blocked nationwide by federal judge in Seattle
It is hard to believe how chaotic has been the introduction of this ban. Maybe it was planned this way to provide a basis to attack the judiciary?
How long before (like the UK) they start calling judges "enemies of the people?

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Mr Bondevik - despite a diplomatic passport that stated he is an ex prime minister, he was still detained.
This was a disgraceful and shaming episode. He should receive an apology from the US Govt.!

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The "overlooked" Saudi involvement is more depressing, IMO.
Indeed, a real elephant in the room
Conspiracy theorists should be exploring how some of them had real Saudi passports but in false names


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That could be due to more people seeking work that had previously said they weren't.
Could be lots of reasons, I just wanted to demonstrate it is always worth reading the whole report not just the headline, the unemployment rate is a very important measure.

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Yep, me 3. Well, this weekend he's in Florida so maybe we'll get some fun tweets from the golf course.
I also believed it was Trump himself but it was just more FAKE NEWS! MOPA!


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What's interesting is this judge is a Bush 43 appointee. I have a feeling this will wind up at the Supreme Court eventually, but will Gorsuch have been approved by that time? Will he vote in Trump's favor? And how much money will this legal wrangling cost taxpayers?
Overall Gorsuch has a good record so if the ban is really unconstitutional then I expect him to vote that way.
Acting Attorney General Sally Quillian Yates clearly stated it was unconstitutional and she also has a a very good record.

As a senior official she was probably not protected by the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act (WPEA), however the ca. 1,000 lower level people in State who signed the "dissent" probably are!
White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer reportedly warned State Department employees earlier this week that they “should either get with the program or they can go.” Which seems to fall within the anti-retaliation proscription of the WPEA.
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