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I bet the second amendment folk can think of another way...
I'd have thought Section 4 of the 25th amendment would be the most likely course.

Could do that immediately if they wanted...
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That, combined with his contempt of at least one SC judge, is real reason for concern.
Which Supreme Court judge is that?
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It really appears that the police were holding back, as they only made ONE arrest. How can this be, when you have TWO police departments with officers in the area (UC Berkeley has its own police force and the City of Berkeley has its own). Crimes were committed on and off campus. And numerous assaults occurred.


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"My uterus, my choice" replaced by "my closet, my choice"?
Rather peculiar definition of what is simply just a dress-code. I wouldn't suggest it for a job interview.

What are the school girls in the UK and elsewhere thinking about their school uniforms? I wonder.

Are we done with bra-burning yet?

Scrubs - when I was an ER nurse, look what we wore:



The horrors! The abuse!

Nobody cared. It was a sterile, warm traumatology unit. We were the lucky ones! Everybody else was wrapped up like maniacs, 14hr shifts.

I think real equality is an argument that often gets lost, in these power struggles.

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[YOUTUBE]Rather peculiar definition of what is simply just a dress-code. I wouldn't suggest it for a job interview.

What are the school girls in the UK and elsewhere thinking about their school uniforms? I wonder.

Are we done with bra-burning yet?
I think you're missing the point, which is that Trump is telling female staff to dress the way HE thinks women should look, and male staff to dress the way HE thinks they should look. Why is it important to him that their gender be identifiable by their attire? Is it not sufficient that they do a good job, regardless of gender?
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Old 06.02.2017, 18:42
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I think you're missing the point, which is that Trump is telling female staff to dress the way HE thinks women should look, and male staff to dress the way HE thinks they should look. Why is it important to him that their gender be identifiable by their attire? Is it not sufficient that they do a good job, regardless of gender?
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Are we done with bra-burning yet?
Perhaps.

Shirtless pantsuit - rocking it like a boss!
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I think you're missing the point, which is that Trump is telling female staff to dress the way HE thinks women should look, and male staff to dress the way HE thinks they should look. Why is it important to him that their gender be identifiable by their attire? Is it not sufficient that they do a good job, regardless of gender?
This is quite common in many workplaces, even if it is an unwritten rule most of the time. It doesn't make it right of course, but Trump is not alone in his way of thinking.
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William Hill Turf/betting in the UK is taking bets on Trump not finishing his first Term- 2 to 1 that he will be impeached, and 13 to 8 that he will resign. Interesting.

What is your bet?
I doubt he will finish his term, maybe he gets taken out (and not for a movie and pizza) but I hope not as that would just make things worse.

I think he will have to calm down and act a bit more like a real president/politician. He seems to be annoying more and more powerful people each day, I don't think it can last.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Does it mean actors should wear whatever they feel like, as long as their work is good? Dress-code is everywhere.

Pant-suit only looks good and feminine on slim chicks I have to say. The rest are kidding themselves.

I can't remember last time I wore pants. Boldering. Even that I do in hotpants and leggins, lol.

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Old 06.02.2017, 19:37
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Please don't let Trump get hold of this.. we'll never hear the end of it

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Does it mean actors should wear whatever they feel like, as long as their work is good? Dress-code is everywhere.
Yes and no.

When you are in a customer facing role, I can see that dress code makes sense. You are representing not just your personal values but also those of the company, and if there is conflict there, the interests of your company go first.

But if you're not in a customer facing role, I think a lot of the dress code stuff that is going on is self imposed. having worked in an engineering environment for many years it was mostly the common engineers who wore what they felt like and the senior and management guys who wore something slightly more managerial. If some normal guy would come to work like that people might start assuming things and maybe it wouldn't be a good idea. This applied to both gals and guys.
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having worked in an engineering environment for many years it was mostly the common engineers who wore what they felt like and the senior and management guys who wore something slightly more managerial. If some normal guy would come to work like that people might start assuming things and maybe it wouldn't be a good idea.
Back in CT, I, my boss, and the VP of engineering would all wear three-piece suits on Thursdays, and after work head over to the local biker bar for cheap beers and to shoot some pool.

I tried that here, no-one else would even wear a tie!

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When you are in a customer facing role, I can see that dress code makes sense. You are representing not just your personal values but also those of the company, and if there is conflict there, the interests of your company go first.
I agree with this - professional attire is a good thing at the workplace, but it's not quite what is being debated ensuing the President's remarks.

Professional attire for a woman at the WH can come in many forms, which may or may not involve a skirt. I am a skirt and a pant lover in equal measure, but if my boss told me that I must wear a skirt while making a client presentation because it makes me look pretty, I'd be reporting her/him to HR as well as looking for another job pronto.

Wearing a bright-colored floral dress today by the way, which is a bit of a pain getting on and off planes, but a good thing to "mix" with the crowd at our Miami office - where, let's just say, the concept of "business professional attire" is a bit different than what would be acceptable in our DC office!
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Has Trump officially said anything about the way women must dress?

Or is all this poppycock based on an (unfounded) rumour?
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Has Trump officially said anything about the way women must dress?

Or is all this poppycock based on an (unfounded) rumour?
Believe it or not, I know someone who worked on his campaign (and we are still friends, despite that! ), and she said the general message was always loud and clear: "dress femininely" "dress a certain way" "feminine attire encouraged" and so forth, straight from the top. My friend had no issue with that, go figure - but then again, she was working the campaign and adores the man. Whatever, different strokes for different folks I guess.

That the (now) President would say something similar now that he has been elected does not surprise me one bit, given the history.

More than that, I do not know.
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Legal case against the ban hotting up
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At the weekend, the appeals court in San Francisco turned down a Department of Justice request to set aside the restraining order.
In its appeal, the department said Judge Robart had overreached by "second-guessing" the president on a national security matter.
"Unlike the President, courts do not have access to classified information about the threat posed by terrorist organizations operating in particular nations, the efforts of those organizations to infiltrate the United States, or gaps in the vetting process,"
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The co-authors — John Kerry, Madeleine Albright, Janet Napolitano, Susan Rice, Leon Panetta, John McLaughlin, Avril Haines, Michael Hayden, Lisa Monaco and Michael Morell
They give the case against Trump's entry ban a national security credential that many of its other opponents cannot.
The Justice Department has argued that judges could not make an appropriate determination of the effectiveness of Trump's entry ban in protecting national security without the advantage of national security clearance and briefings.
Four of the filing's authors — Kerry, Haines, Monaco and Rice — told the court they were "current on active intelligence regarding all credible terrorist threat streams directed against the U.S." as recently as one week before Trump's order.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

What democrats need is an (electable) leader. And DT's tax returns.
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Does it mean actors should wear whatever they feel like, as long as their work is good? Dress-code is everywhere.

Pant-suit only looks good and feminine on slim chicks I have to say. The rest are kidding themselves.

I can't remember ladt time I wore pants. Boldering. Even tgat I do in hotpants and leggins, lol.
Actors have to dress to represent the character they play - clearly. No comparison.

'Slim chicks' ... I am surprised/disappointed at this comment, honestly- from you. Truly. Most dresses look better on slim women too, don't they? So should the more rounded be excluded from many professions, irespective of talent? Do you expect the same treatment for men? Female politicians are constantly judged by what they wear - can't stand Sally-Ann Conway (both slim btw) or Theresa May- but criticize them for their policies, not their nail-colour or dress- pants ( and size!).

As for your choice of skirts and hot-pants- that is great, as long as it is YOUR choice- and not imposed, for all the wrong reasons. A lot of debate currently in UK about some work places, about some businesses requiring women to wear very high heels, with all the pain and health issues that leads to.
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Pant-suit only looks good and feminine on slim chicks I have to say.
Don't be disapponted, Odile - I am not a policy maker, dress-code definition designer nor HR hiring manager or a president, lol. Just my personal opinion, no need for an outrage.

I think every woman looks better in a dress, there.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Again, your opinion is fine and dandy, as an opinion.
I am surprised you seem to condone employers enforcing a dress code on women which is sexist and worse.

It's fine to ask employees to dress 'professionally' - but not 'sexily' or in a way which causes health problems (high heels) or is totally discriminatory.
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