I'm having a coffee break from living on a building site at the moment, therefore my 90's tie dye Rolling Stones t-shirt is highly apropriate but it does have very feminine lips and tongue on the front. In it's next incarnation, it will be a duster.

It took for the conversation to get to "women needing to look hot to succeed" for you to walk away from this thread??

This thread is hilarious - stick around, have some popcorn and a strong G&T - sun's over the yardarm and all that!

A "left-sided attack"?

So, in modern-speak, a reasonable and general opposing view is an "attack".

I think I know why the world is going to shit.

Hey, before I go- and with a total derail, how is this for dress code:

https://www.facebook.com/Thatsfarmin...2729298118736/

In defence of MC I would add that I personally know a manager who refuses to hire fat people because they are "undisciplined". If they are not disciplined to keep themselves in shape then they will not be disciplined at work.

You could also argue attractive people (men and women) are more likely to be successful because they are given better chances. Hence in business the higher up you go the "fitter" people are.

For the record, I'm about 10 Kg overweight and not very tall. I do have all my own hair and teeth though.

So you are saying that you will take a break from posting now until you've had a shower, put a dress on and got the dinner under control? Excellent, that's more like it.

Actually, this concatenation is not really valid. Students are admitted to the CA University/State/Community college system based on transparent criteria ie meeting a certain standard for grades and test scores.

Speakers can be invited by the university or by student groups. And UC Berkeley stated publicly a few yrs ago, that "This university has not in the past and will not in the future shy away from hosting speakers who some deem provocative," in response to a similar push to block Bill Maher from delivering a commencement address.

In Milo's case, he was invited by a Republican/Conservative Student group. A student protest was organized, and ultimately hijacked, by a non-student group that escalated the protest into a violent riot with the purpose of making it impossible for the speech to be given.

I would expect that Mario Savio was rolling in his grave that night...

You can argue anything.....hence this thread.

It wouldn't and it's nothing whatsoever to do with 'the left' or 'the right'.
My personal vitriol would be directed towards anyone who thinks that have the right to dictate what I wear. Always has been and always will be. In the workplace, you dress appropriately for the role and incorporate any practical requirements of that role. In my own time, I wear whatever the hell I want.

You've read too many Marton/Phos posts

We're not telling you what to wear - just suggesting your opinion would be more valid if you were dressed in a Chanel dress over Aubade lingerie - and no larger than a UK size 12.



(Just adding - all the EF men have the bodies of <insert preferred type - footballer, rugby player, male model, etc etc> and are always dressed appropriately)

And I should have added in my other post(s) that being public institutions, they are not allowed to discriminate based on sex, race, religious beliefs etc. But that is not to say that they that they will admit everybody who wishes to attend. They MUST allow anyone to apply, regardless of sex, race, religious beliefs etc. There are a certain amount of places available which are chosen strictly on merit ie grades and test scores. It is very transparent and the process is publicly disclosed.

Exactly.

Colourful language---it makes discussions more lively.


On that note the world is not going to shit. A good majority of the world has adamant fecal disposal systems for humans and many animals as well. Even in countries without developed plumbing, the mass of shit is far less than the world mass. ---if we want to eliminate modern-speak :P

It's much easier to label someone "xyz" which automatically puts you in a certain camp, which in turn inherently refutes any and all points raised regardless of their in/validity rather than actually debating those points.

Certain expressions, including hysterical and libtard, fall in the same category as the intent is to shut up the addressee.

Productive debate is sooooo yesteryear.

Gavin??

....and more the power to you!


Maybe 'left' wasn't the most defining term. Left, liberal, activist, SJW, not sure what the kosher term is at the moment. I just wanted to point out that if an 'oppressed' group is being targeted, they can also have the luxury of committing similar oppression without the same level of outrage.


Analogous case: It is unacceptable for lighter skinned folk (or those coming from light skinned backgrounds) to use the n-word. Yet many of those with darker skin can use it fairly comfortably and excessively. Sure there are many that oppose anyone from using the term, but generally they can get away with it because they are part of the 'oppressed group'


slightly OT now though

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Thanks for stepping in to take Phos' place. Here are some facts: 70 y/o overweight, unpopular Trump, a "bulldozer that might get some results" on American's obesity epidemic? An epidemic that has been spiraling out of control for the last several decades, way before the PC anti-fat shaming movement began. Not to mention that the Republican party platform is basically, "be unhealthy as you want because 'Murica". They hated Michelle Obama's initiatives, I might add. The only way Trump will in any way be directly effective in getting people to lose weight is if his administration causes a famine.

And for the larger point: people in general being in shape and taking care of themselves =/= women being told to "dress feminine" by a boss who has a mixed track record (understatement of the century) with his treatment of women. HTH.

You're mean. The bathroom's not finished yet so all I've got is a toilet and I'm doing sponge 'baths' from the kitchen sink and living on takeaways or anything microwaveable. But tonight, I'm going to a friend's house for a shower. Luxury! Sheer bloody luxury!

Aubade????

Ughhhh..

Anyways, kidding aside, why do people take everything so personally. Trump says - more dresses and you get a bunch of EFers saying how they should not be made to feel fat.

I say - if there is a way that Western culture will warm up again to other cultures, it is through feminine grace that seems to have trickled out of West, gradually. Somehow since it was something men appreciate, it became unworthy for women and even to be ashamed of. The discourse has become polluted with motivational terms - power, powerful women, muscle talk, guts, ambitions. How sexy. What sophistication, palate, subtlety and finesse. I see no reasonable person really chasing after that. It feels more like self help mantra than...having good, rich and beautiful life.

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Perhaps they feel, rightly or wrongly, that Milo is transgressing the rule above not allowing discrimination based on gender (he has "interesting" things to say about Trans people and gays, funnily enough) and he is very outspoken, in many people's view well beyond outspoken into incitement, when is comes to Islam.