Thanks, I needed that daily reminder to call my Russian mother.

....actually.....

How many billions of dollars are spent each year by cosmetics companies basically saying to women "use this beauty product and you can live this life", and how many women fall for it?

Personal grooming products for men is now a big business and growing exponentially, maybe the pressure moves over to men in the next decade?

Men and Women have always been judged on what they wear and how they look. I don't think that will change anytime soon.

Are you calling people ugly? How dare you!

Not all people - obviously.

But a good few should do the world a favour and only come out after dark.

I think that suggests here women have a choice. Use the product or don't use the product, or use someone else's product or whatever.

The point which is rumbling around this thread is that the women employees have basically been told to "dress like a woman" which suggests there is no choice. I don't think anyone knows what would happen if a woman turns up in an ill-fitting trouser suit and Doc Martens or even an androgynous type outfit and a buzz-cut. Would she be taken aside for a quiet word in her ear? Disciplined? Written warning? Overlooked for promotion? Gulp, fired?

I guess not, but there seems to be an undertone with this order coming from the top which employees would feel compelled to follow.

Plus (and let's go really wild here), what if that sets a precedent through the rest of the corporate world? Why not, the prez has said it's fine to get your female employees to toe the line in "lady-clothes", surely we at XYZ Limited can do the same??

Comparing it to cosmetics advertising doesn't really hold the same weight.

By the way, do you think Adele is fat?

Trump should be lib's hero. He has clearly defined his safe space: chicks should look like chicks. Lol.

Btw, why have all these demands of some, on appropriacy (even here, some claiming certain topics inappropriate for the EF and take the liberty to be the ones who determine the appropriacy or not of certain topics), on safety, on pc, on what is legit (chicks should decide between pants/skirts but guys can't)...while they do not give the same right to others. Based on who's moral compass? Isn't the president democratically voted, to be respected? I wonder if a message of disrespect, violence, civil disobediency and unwillingness to bare fair consequences actually callibrating far more serious problems in the future, than a few years of Trump's presidency?

Obstruction and protest is in my books the least quality way to chip in. It is extremely ego centric. Entitled. All the empowered prophecies are just self soothing..and self promoting. It is way too late to wake up now and want to reverse the ways things have happened, so why the theatrics? Don't people know what self integrity is? Does it mean to them to over interpret some banal and benign messages of the person who they lost to? Highschool drama, much?

Just reminds me all the marketed granola shtick or any other overblown fad people are so fed up with.

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Yes. Any annoying.

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So great, say what you want, when you want, and have at it. No wonder I much prefer the company of dogs.

Well that would be typical of a certain class of arrogant manager who makes assumptions without checking the facts.

There are many factors involved in excess weight; some of them are known and others not yet.

As an example look at families where the children all eat the same meals, are served the same size portions and you get mixtures of thin and fat!

I'm not sure where this fits in and what I think of Adele is not important. On a wider issue you always get people "outside of the norm" who are successful in every walk of life, if that's what you are angling for.

In medical terms Adele is probably not fat, she is probably obese.

Speaking of these "entitled" protesters - you realise you wouldn't have a vote in this "democratic" society if it weren't for these "self-soothing" and "ego centric" women chaining themselves to railings and enduring prison sentences for the cause, don't you?

Yeah, them protesters just doin' it for kicks...

Nothing, I was trolling a bit. Adele's weight was the subject of a previous heated debate in which you could have been lynched for what you've written. Just checking EF's consistency and standards.

You keep banging on about this but it isn't true. I've worked with lots (more than a dozen) guys who've worn kilts, including a black West Indian guy who worked on my team and had Scottish ancestry. Vivienne Westwood and Jean Paul Gaultier really pushed kilts back into haute couture.

In other news...
https://twitter.com/RoguePOTUSStaff/...48839772065792

Yes, respect the leader and his strong bulldozer hand. Again, so Eastern of you. Do you even know how America works? It rose through civil disobedience and has seen worse civil disobedience in my lifetime, during Clinton's, Bush's and Obama's administrations. Some positive change resulted, many things stayed unchanged. It's fine, it's the process. It didn't get GWB out of office or prevent him from being re-elected, but years later he's seen as a joke by people on both sides of the aisle. People's actions don't always have immediate effect, sometimes it's about being on the right side of history. But glibly dismissing people's concerns and actions is not only the "least quality to chip in", but it's literally not doing shit, n'est-ce pas?

So come on out and voice your displeasure! I absolutely support people coming out to defend or protest. What I do not support is shutting down ideas that you don't support just because they conflict with your worldview.

Milo freely admits that he is a "troll" and often trying to "trigger" a response from the groups that he is targeting. Personally, I think it can create a Win-Win if it makes people think about where they stand and what they stand for. I am not assigning Milo any noble motives, but I do think he (and many others) can be a catalyst; potentially a catalyst for both sides. In my opinion, getting people to think is a good thing, whether they think like me or not.

I'm not sure if Adele is fat but she is beautiful.
Way more beautiful than that ugly thin blond woman who was talking about alternative facts and made up a massacre.

Why does it even matter? Adele is a singer, the only important thing is if she can sing or not.