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Interesting how quiet Trump's chief cheerleaders on EF have gone, now that Trump's lies have been exposed and his administration is already starting to fall apart. I thought it would take at least a year, but again Trump has proven me wrong.
Lets face it, only deluded souls with a clear lack of rational thought processes would champion Trump. Anyone with an iota of common sense knew something was very wrong from the very start of his campaign, and then any doubt was erased by the end of it. He is a mentally unstable and delusional individual in a very real sense, a megalomaniac with one of the world's most fragile and childlike ego's and a desperate desire for acceptance. The Republican party should be deeply ashamed that he was ever even nominated, and I do wonder if it will be one of the shortest presidential terms in history.

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What's wrong with ridicule? This is surely the best tool.
If only there were more left-wing comedians, then we wouldn't be in this mess...
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If only there were more left-wing comedians, then we wouldn't be in this mess...
Good point, bring back Jim Davidson and Bernhard Manning, they were hilarious.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make though. If you don't like left wing comedians, don't watch them. If you like right wing comedians, watch them.

Who is stopping you doing this?
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Interesting how quiet Trump's chief cheerleaders on EF have gone, now that Trump's lies have been exposed and his administration is already starting to fall apart. I thought it would take at least a year, but again Trump has proven me wrong.
I'm learning a bunch about the dangers of feminism, though.
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good point, bring back jim davidson and bernhard manning, they were hilarious.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make though. If you don't like left wing comedians, don't watch them. If you like right wing comedians, watch them.

Who is stopping you doing this?
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Michael Flynn forced to resign for lying. What a bunch of snowflakes this administration is. Since when was lying enough reason to be thrown out of power?
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whoooshh!
Sigh, very clever of you.

Loz's point being that left wing comedians haven't stopped the right's inexorable rise to power. I don't think anyone (myself included) was suggesting that Frankie Boyle would have stopped Hitler coming to power, however the suggestion that may have whooshed past you is that ridicule of people like this (see Chaplin's Great Dictator, for example) is the only way to take power away from them, as it is the one thing they cannot abide.
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UK government response to the petition.

"Government responded:

HM Government believes the President of the United States should be extended the full courtesy of a State Visit. We look forward to welcoming President Trump once dates and arrangements are finalised.

HM Government recognises the strong views expressed by the many signatories of this petition, but does not support this petition.

During her visit to the United States on 27 January 2017, the Prime Minister, on behalf of Her Majesty the Queen, invited President Trump for a State Visit to the UK later this year. The invitation was accepted. This invitation reflects the importance of the relationship between the United States of America and the United Kingdom. At this stage, final dates have not yet been agreed for the State Visit.

Foreign and Commonwealth Office"

https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...onse-threshold

Due for debate on the 20th February. Might actually make the deathly dull Parliamentary broadcast worth watching.
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All credit to Donald - he has lasted longer as the POTUS than on EF
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Good point, bring back Jim Davidson and Bernhard Manning, they were hilarious.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make though. If you don't like left wing comedians, don't watch them. If you like right wing comedians, watch them.

Who is stopping you doing this?
Here, I'll let Stephen Merchant explain:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...entalists.html

Personally, I have nothing against left wing comedians per se. They used to be very funny. What I don't like is the number of cheap and lazy gags you see so many of them doing nowadays about Trump or UKIP, and their supporters. It's so boring and it's so common.

But just as they are pugnacious in how they ridicule anyone who opposes their views, so too are they the first to point out what can and cannot be said. This is what turns so many people off.
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Sigh, very clever of you.

Loz's point being that left wing comedians haven't stopped the right's inexorable rise to power. I don't think anyone (myself included) was suggesting that Frankie Boyle would have stopped Hitler coming to power, however the suggestion that may have whooshed past you is that ridicule of people like this (see Chaplin's Great Dictator, for example) is the only way to take power away from them, as it is the one thing they cannot abide.
Milo said the same thing.
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Milo said the same thing.
Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Lets face it, only deluded souls with a clear lack of rational thought processes would champion Trump.
Over 60m voted for him - or more than the entire population of Italy

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Anyone with an iota of common sense knew something was very wrong from the very start of his campaign, and then any doubt was erased by the end of it.
At the point he announced he would run for the Republican candidacy he was 5th in the Republican race. Not bad to then get the nomination and win the election

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He is a mentally unstable and delusional individual in a very real sense, a megalomaniac with one of the world's most fragile and childlike ego's and a desperate desire for acceptance.
Or he turns out to be a better player of the current media game than anyone else. He has been "spinning" his story for 40 years.

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The Republican party should be deeply ashamed that he was ever even nominated, and I do wonder if it will be one of the shortest presidential terms in history.
See my earlier point.

The Republican party figured out that however much of a whack job Trump is he had a far better chance of becoming POTUS than anyone else. The party had little choice if they wanted to win. Pence would have been destroyed at the polls.

What Trump has shown is that a lack of experience and ability is no barrier to taking a major role - and I will follow his example and apply for CEO of CS once Tidjame leaves.
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...What Trump has shown is that a lack of experience and ability is no barrier to taking a major role - and I will follow his example and apply for CEO of CS once Tidjame leaves.
Don't overlook Toshiba, there is an open seat there right now.
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Honourable thing to do to resign.

It still leaves the main question unanswered "why on earth did a member of of Trump's team call the Russian Ambassador several times?"

As national security adviser he anyway should have resigned on the grounds of total incompetence if he did not expect his conversation to be recorded. And then lying about the content when the NSA and the acting attorney general Yates (amongst others) had a copy of the transcript?

Incidentally acting attorney general Yates was correct about the indefensible nature of Trump's ban; Trump should have taken her advice instead of firing and insulting her?

It does demonstrate poor judgement by Trump; more worrying is that it will not be so easy for Trump to get rid of poor Cabinet picks when they screw up. And due to their lack of experience combined with the quality of guidance from the inexperienced White House crew so screw up they will.

From a member of the House Intelligence committee
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Like Watergate this will not quietly slide away
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Over 60m voted for him - or more than the entire population of Italy



At the point he announced he would run for the Republican candidacy he was 5th in the Republican race. Not bad to then get the nomination and win the election



Or he turns out to be a better player of the current media game than anyone else. He has been "spinning" his story for 40 years.



See my earlier point.

The Republican party figured out that however much of a whack job Trump is he had a far better chance of becoming POTUS than anyone else. The party had little choice if they wanted to win. Pence would have been destroyed at the polls.

What Trump has shown is that a lack of experience and ability is no barrier to taking a major role - and I will follow his example and apply for CEO of CS once Tidjame leaves.
"more than the entire population of Italy" He is supported by the Third World?
Maybe they will all get Green Cards

102 million did not vote; same as the population of the Philippines! Umm, so what
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"more than the entire population of Italy" He is supported by the Third World?
Maybe they will all get Green Cards

102 million did not vote; same as the population of the Philippines! Umm, so what
Using the bias of whichever side is writing the statistics story - that means around only 20% of Americans voted against Trump* - making Trump hugely popular



*66m Clinton votes over a population of 320m
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Using the bias of whichever side is writing the statistics story - that means around only 20% of Americans voted against Trump* - making Trump hugely popular



*66m Clinton votes over a population of 320m
But nobody voted against me so I am more popular
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The Republican party figured out that however much of a whack job Trump is he had a far better chance of becoming POTUS than anyone else.
You made a lot of good points in your post, but this one is nonsense. Pretty much any Republican candidate would have slaughtered Clinton at the polls, and almost any of them (the eventual victor being the exception) would have won by a wide popular majority, to boot. This was the easiest of elections for the Republicans to win, against a deeply unpopular Democratic candidate -- and Trump very nearly lost it.
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The party had little choice if they wanted to win.
Again, no. Has history already been rewritten?!
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Pence would have been destroyed at the polls.
Pence never had any inclination to run for President -- there was never any question of him testing the polls as a Presidential wannabe! He was brought to prominence by Trump. Who had heard of Pence before Trump thrust him into the shadow of his orange-tinged limelight?
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You made a lot of good points in your post, but this one is nonsense. Pretty much any Republican candidate would have slaughtered Clinton at the polls, and almost any of them (the eventual victor being the exception) would have won by a wide popular majority, to boot. This was the easiest of elections for the Republicans to win, against a deeply unpopular Democratic candidate -- and Trump very nearly lost it.

Again, no. Has history already been rewritten?!

Pence never had any inclination to run for President -- there was never any question of him testing the polls as a Presidential wannabe! He was brought to prominence by Trump. Who had heard of Pence before Trump thrust him into the shadow of his orange-tinged limelight?
If the Republican party was awash with such stand out candidates how did Trump get the nomination?

At the point it was Clinton v Trump the election was Clinton's to lose - what they failed to do is to work the swing states well enough to convince enough people that "Orange is not the new Black" and the country would be better served by continuity.

I'm not convinced that any other Republican could have played the "loud shouty" campaign that Trump pulled off, a campaign which DID do just enough to get the swingers (in voting terms) to sacrifice their democratic principles for the republican rhetoric.

What the election and Brexit has shown is that if you give people just 2 options you'll never get a workable solution to your perceived problems.
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