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Old 14.02.2017, 10:55
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If the Republican party was awash with such stand out candidates how did Trump get the nomination?

At the point it was Clinton v Trump the election was Clinton's to lose - what they failed to do is to work the swing states well enough to convince enough people that "Orange is not the new Black" and the country would be better served by continuity.

I'm not convinced that any other Republican could have played the "loud shouty" campaign that Trump pulled off, a campaign which DID do just enough to get the swingers (in voting terms) to sacrifice their democratic principles for the republican rhetoric.

What the election and Brexit has shown is that if you give people just 2 options you'll never get a workable solution to your perceived problems.
Agreed, Clinton v Trump was Clinton's to lose -- Trump was probably the least electable (well, there was Carson, I guess) of the Republican nominees. That's why Clinton very nearly won, and even then she lost only because of poor strategy in the swing states.

Trump won the Republican nomination because he lied bigly and consistently, making promises that nobody -- even if they were competent -- could keep. Those lies would not have been needed to convince the electorate to vote for a sane, competent Republican candidate when the alternative was Clinton. It would have been interesting to see a Trump v Sanders battle -- or indeed, Sanders v any of the other Republican candidates.
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Old 14.02.2017, 11:03
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Trump won the Republican nomination because he lied bigly and consistently, making promises that nobody -- even if they were competent -- could keep.
Bigly?
You'll be suggesting we take your posts seriously next.
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Trump won the Republican nomination because he lied bigly and consistently, making promises that nobody -- even if they were competent -- could keep.
doesn't every politician do that?
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doesn't every politician do that?
No - the left never lie. This explains why Clinton was seen as such a trustworthy and honest candidate.
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doesn't every politician do that?
Nobody ever as bigly as the Artist of the Deal.
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Bigly?
You'll be suggesting we take your posts seriously next.
It's "take your posts serious" (haven't you been listening to Swiss Germans speaking English?). Bigly used up all the "-ly" suffixes there are for adverbs.
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Using the bias of whichever side is writing the statistics story - that means around only 20% of Americans voted against Trump* - making Trump hugely popular



*66m Clinton votes over a population of 320m
No, because included in those 320million are people ineligible to vote - under 18, people who are not registered, people who can't vote because of criminal records, or because they are incarcerated, legal aliens, green card holders. I think that politico estimates the number of registered voters in the us at 200 million.

So what you're proposing is that if you didn't vote for Clinton, it was a vote for Trump, which means 33% voted for Clinton. I know it's still a loss, but at least use the appropriate base.
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Just gone over 1.5 Million signatures.
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Nearly 1.7mil signed the petition so far.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38814346
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BREAKING NEWS: 63 million people don't sign petition.
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To date, 500 British MPs have signed it. That's significant!
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No. It's. Not.
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Give 'em time. The petition is open until the 29th May.

Actually quite interesting watching the petition's page. It's getting between 80 and 100 new signatures every minute.

Loz1983, why do you think it's not significant that 500 MPs have signed it? Assuming the government allows a debate there could be fireworks. And with numbers climbing like that, denying a debate for the petition wouldn't do the government any good in the public's eyes.
Snork.

'Stop Trump state visit' petition rejected
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Flynn resigns. Spicer press conf will be interesting; SNL doubly so.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The petition will be debated by the House of Commons on 20 February.

Final dates have not yet been agreed for the State Visit
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No, because included in those 320million are people ineligible to vote - under 18, people who are not registered, people who can't vote because of criminal records, or because they are incarcerated, legal aliens, green card holders. I think that politico estimates the number of registered voters in the us at 200 million.

So what you're proposing is that if you didn't vote for Clinton, it was a vote for Trump, which means 33% voted for Clinton. I know it's still a loss, but at least use the appropriate base.
You've never had to write a statistics story have you. In doing so you are perfectly entitled to cherry pick the numbers that best tell your story - and that includes picking numbers which don't make sense. So 66/320 is perfectly OK - especially if the story will appear on Fox "News"

A nice headline would be "400% more people didn't vote Clinton" - it doesn't make sense - but I fail to see why I should make sense in the world of US politics!
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You've never had to write a statistics story have you. In doing so you are perfectly entitled to cherry pick the numbers that best tell your story - and that includes picking numbers which don't make sense. So 66/320 is perfectly OK - especially if the story will appear on Fox "News"

A nice headline would be "400% more people didn't vote Clinton" - it doesn't make sense - but I fail to see why I should make sense in the world of US politics!
That is nothing compared to the 95% of British people that didn't support the Trump petition
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That is nothing compared to the 95% of British people that didn't support the Trump petition
Or the 100% of them who didn't vote for him!
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That is nothing compared to the 95% of British people that didn't support the Trump petition
But only 300,000 voted for the petition to invite Trump!
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But only 300,000 voted for the petition to invite Trump!
300,000 strongly believed that Trump should be invite
66m had no feelings either way
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But only 300,000 voted for the petition to invite Trump!
While 95% of the British do not support the petition against the visit, a majority of 300.000 vote to get him to the UK.

i should work in PR
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300,000 strongly believed that Trump should be invite
66m had no feelings either way
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While 95% of the British do not support the petition against the visit, a majority of 300.000 vote to get him to the UK.

i should work in PR
So the 1.85 million who have petitioned against should get their wish. After all that's how voting works isn't it? The majority who participated win, even if a bigger majority couldn't be bothered to take part.
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If the Republican party was awash with such stand out candidates how did Trump get the nomination?
I don't know about standouts. There were 17 candidates at one point, all vying for TV time, a few words at a debate, and of course votes. The TV networks even had to split the debates because there wasn't enough room on the stage. Trump had an advantage thanks to his experience on TV. He knew/knows what the cameras and audiences want. Networks quickly realized that putting Trump as a lead story and in the center of the stage got more views. I haven't seen a tally on the free media Trump received but it's got to be YUGE.
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So the 1.85 million who have petitioned against should get their wish. After all that's how voting works isn't it? The majority who participated win, even if a bigger majority couldn't be bothered to take part.
It wasn't a vote - it was an online petition.

The government (who were actually elected by a vote) will now decide whether to take either of the petitions seriously. If they do they will then submit it to parliament for a vote.

However based on their experience in listening to the public they may do the sensible thing and completely ignore both petitions.
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So the 1.85 million who have petitioned against should get their wish. After all that's how voting works isn't it? The majority who participated win, even if a bigger majority couldn't be bothered to take part.
Will of the people innit!
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