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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

He invented a terror attack in Sweden yesterday and Swedes are tweeting they are fed up of worried friends and family contacting them to check they're ok.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7588021.html
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Old 19.02.2017, 12:16
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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I have to admit that I haven't closely followed US media over the last few months but judging by the Trump coverage of the European (and Swiss) media, "slanted" is a rather mild term...
But if you have not followed the US media then what is your basis for saying other coverage is slanted?

for example, Voices in the night whispering to you?
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He invented a terror attack in Sweden yesterday and Swedes are tweeting they are fed up of worried friends and family contacting them to check they're ok.
Ah, that explains it then..

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I believe he will be impeached relatively soon.
Lets hope not. He needs to be left in office for long enough that:
  1. Even the most bone headed voter sees that the experiment was a failure.
  2. The politicians understand that a Pyrrhic victory isn't a victory at all.

Impeaching him now would just create a third party, lets call it "The Conspiracy party". Although I think that a genuine third party would improve US politics a lot, I am pretty sure that ""government of the people, by the loonies, for the loonies, shall cause pretty much all of us to perish from the earth.".
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Old 19.02.2017, 13:41
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Lets hope not. He needs to be left in office for long enough that:
  1. Even the most bone headed voter sees that the government is a failure.
  2. The general public understands that a Pyrrhic victory isn't a victory at all
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Although I think that a genuine third party would improve US politics a lot, I am pretty sure that ""government of the people, by the loonies, for the loonies, shall cause pretty much all of us to perish from the earth.".


There's a little country called North Korea that sounds like it'd be a paradise for you, then.
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Old 19.02.2017, 13:46
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There's a little country called North Korea that sounds like it'd be a paradise for you, then.
Wow, just wow.

Where on earth do you manage to come up with that inference? Did you take a rhetoric course at www.sarahpalin.com ?
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Old 19.02.2017, 13:54
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Wow, just wow.
That's what I thought when I read your post.

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Where on earth do you manage to come up with that inference? Did you take a rhetoric course at www.sarahpalin.com ?
lol. I guess i must just be confused. You are arguing against having additional political parties in the states, on what basis?

My inference comes from the idea that as people consent to further consolidation of power, it inevitably leads to tyranny. Why not just have one party?
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Old 19.02.2017, 13:59
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That's what I thought when I read your post.



lol. I guess i must just be confused. You are arguing against having additional political parties in the states, on what basis?
Umm, parse this sentence:

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Although I think that a genuine third party would improve US politics a lot, I am pretty sure that "government of the people, by the loonies, for the loonies, shall cause pretty much all of us to perish from the earth.".
There are two parts:
  1. I believe that a 3rd party would be a good thing for US politics.
  2. Having loonies in control would be a bad thing.

Skipped your coffee today?
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Old 19.02.2017, 14:07
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Umm, parse this sentence:



There are two parts:
  1. I believe that a 3rd party would be a good thing for US politics.
  2. Having loonies in control would be a bad thing.

Skipped your coffee today?
And how exactly would the creation of a third party lead to 'loonies' being in control? Quite obviously, the loonies are already in control.


re:coffee - I'll admit i'm sleep deprived and have a lot of other things going on right now, so maybe not a good time to stir this debate. Please point out if you think i'm missing something.
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Old 19.02.2017, 14:17
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And how exactly would the creation of a third party lead to 'loonies' being in control? Quite obviously, the loonies are already in control.


re:coffee - I'll admit i'm sleep deprived and have a lot of other things going on right now, so maybe not a good time to stir this debate. Please point out if you think i'm missing something.
As far as I can remember, a sentence of the form "Although A, B" means that there are some "A"s which are also "B"s.

My English has degraded, but I didn't think it was that bad.
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Old 19.02.2017, 15:25
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Any news that cannot be verified as being true is fake news. It's that simple.
Fake news is about gossips, rumours and innuendos, and the outrage and miscontrued reaction to purported facts. And then supposed statements, analysis and opinions by someone purported to be important. All in all, useless stuff to fuel fear and outrage.

It does not seem to be working, apart from providing the opposition an echo chamber to hear themselves. Trump supporters don't pay much attention to them, and polls shows impartial swing voters tend to believe Trump more than mainstream news media.

True to form, the left, which rails about Trump's divisiveness, is doing a great job at dividing and polarizing the country. They've started to attack their own, and some will drift out the further extremes of the left.

People are tired of the bullshit. I presume we will shortly start to see an effort to hold conversations that draw towards the middle amongst real adults. The more responsible adults should and will start building dialogs to bridge the gap and start unifying sensible people.

As for Trump, it looks like he'll be winning and winning until he gets tired of winning.

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Old 19.02.2017, 17:01
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people are tired of the bullshit. I presume we will shortly start to see an effort to hold conversations that draw towards the middle amongst real adults. The more responsible adults should and will start building dialogs to bridge the gap and start unifying sensible people.

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Fake news is about gossips, rumours and innuendos, and the outrage and miscontrued reaction to purported facts. And then supposed statements, analysis and opinions by someone purported to be important. All in all, useless stuff to fuel fear and outrage.
Your point rings a bit hollow considering this is Trump's exact approach in his speeches. Light on facts, heavy on rumour, innuendo and made up stories. Are you saying it's fine for Trump to be an hysterical Billy Bullshit but not fine for the left to put its own slant on issues?
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Old 19.02.2017, 17:51
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Your point rings a bit hollow considering this is Trump's exact approach in his speeches. Light on facts, heavy on rumour, innuendo and made up stories. Are you saying it's fine for Trump to be an hysterical Billy Bullshit but not fine for the left to put its own slant on issues?
Pretty much. The Presidency is a bully pulpit. He makes the news they try to report, and can call them out on things they don't report to his liking. Trump can continue to just toy with the media and the left, and it is bearing fruit for him. Its an assymetric situation.

The problem with the opposition is they are not capable of having a proper discourse about real issues. The most they have been able to do are attempts at character assassinations. They were able to get Flynn due to his own mistake. But for as long as they can't hold proper discourse on real issues, that is about all they will able to do.

This isn't really about Trump. Its about the ideas he's espousing. He's already opened up a pandora's box. Removing Trump will not be closing up the box.

Focusing on Trump won't really yield a whole lot of results. In the meantime, he's actually doing things real people agree with. He's doing a great job.
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Old 19.02.2017, 18:02
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Not staying long. I can set a bot to post a month from now that "Trump won again ".

Same 'ol. I'm sure there will be a dozen more hearsays, rumours, innuendos and feigned outrage between now and then, and Trump will still be President. Notice it yet?
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Pretty much. The Presidency is a bully pulpit. He makes the news they try to report, and can call them out on things they don't report to his liking. Trump can continue to just toy with the media and the left, and it is bearing fruit for him. Its an assymetric situation.

The problem with the opposition is they are not capable of having a proper discourse about real issues. The most they have been able to do are attempts at character assassinations. They were able to get Flynn due to his own mistake. But for as long as they can't hold proper discourse on real issues, that is about all they will able to do.

This isn't really about Trump. Its about the ideas he's espousing. He's already opened up a pandora's box. Removing Trump will not be closing up the box.

Focusing on Trump won't really yield a whole lot of results. In the meantime, he's actually doing things real people agree with. He's doing a great job.
So his strategy is to basically be the political equivalent of the drunkest guy at the party, falling off a table and damaging half the furniture, mumbling "I meant to do that" whilst vomiting into a plant pot.

I think he's nailed it...
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So his strategy is to basically be the political equivalent of the drunkest guy at the party, falling off a table and damaging half the furniture, mumbling "I meant to do that" whilst vomiting into a plant pot.

I think he's nailed it...

The left can continue to focus on all kinds of Trump's flaws, and he has some beauties. But that is not really what matters. Meanwhile, court appointments, legislations, policies, regulations and executive orders are really the actual payload. On these, there really isn't much opposition, as the opposition is helpless on these. They don't even know where they stand without further splitting themselves up. Until then, they're just a loose bunch of whining ninnies without anything better to offer. Hence, Trump will continue to win short of sabotaging himself.
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