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Old 20.02.2017, 12:05
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Erm, by the fact he never mentioned "terror" or "attack" or "Sweden" in the same sentence.
Yes, he was definitely referring to sveriges mästerkock - someone's flan didn't rise. Terrible.
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Old 20.02.2017, 12:31
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He says "look what happened in Sweden yesterday".

So, maybe he can explain to me what did happen, because nothing happened.
That was not the point, the point was to plant the seed.

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Trump stands up in public meetings and tells one lie after another.

You believe this is some sort of cunning plan?
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The title of this sub-forum is "Off-Topic". Please stop spamming to hide your ignorance.
Now that could have been said by Trump.

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There is no media "on here"

Trump clearly said "look what happened in Sweden last night"

How on earth could any normally intelligent person interpret this as anything other than he was referring to a "non existent" terror attack?
Ah, you see, you fell for it too! It works on both sides ... some will tell their environment about those terror attacks in Sweden and spread the fear ..... and others will put the same words in his mouth to call him a liar. Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions .... and he counts on you as well as the others. And it seems to work just wonderfully.


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Who could imagine his command of English is so poor that he was talking about a Fox news TV show "last night"?

Incidentally he gives the impression he spends all his time watching TV rather than governing the country.

For example, So he watches at least five different channels in a day, amazing.
He quotes the tv-channels ..... the others say it's not true ..... he is then confirmed that it was fake news (never mind interpretation) .... may the circle be unbroken.
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Old 20.02.2017, 12:49
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How dare Trump say Sweden has a problem.

That's not Sweden.
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Old 20.02.2017, 12:52
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That's not Sweden.
Sweden, Switzerland... what's the difference?
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Old 20.02.2017, 13:24
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That's not Sweden.
Dang! I was just about to ask Loz for the source link to see what he'd offer. Was just curious to see if he'd confirm the photo was taken 7yrs ago in Malaysia. Talk about fake news...
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Old 20.02.2017, 13:28
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Dang! I was just about to ask Loz for the source link to see what he'd offer. Was just curious to see if he'd confirm the photo was taken 7yrs ago in Malaysia. Talk about fake news...
Look at all those west-hating Malaysian muslims, it's a good job his travel restriction includes Malaysia, eh?
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Old 20.02.2017, 13:39
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Dang! I was just about to ask Loz for the source link to see what he'd offer. Was just curious to see if he'd confirm the photo was taken 7yrs ago in Malaysia. Talk about fake news...
It's satire.

But obviously Sweden doesn't have a problem. Nothing to see here.

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Old 20.02.2017, 13:43
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It's satire.

But obviously Sweden doesn't have a problem. Nothing to see here.
Can't you take your anti refugee posts to the appropriate thread and leave us adults to discuss Trump?
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Old 20.02.2017, 13:43
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That was not the point, the point was to plant the seed.
The seed of what? Fear? Bigotry? Xenophobia? He already planted those on his campaign trail, is he now simply watering the saplings?
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Old 20.02.2017, 13:47
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It's satire.

But obviously Sweden doesn't have a problem. Nothing to see here.
Satire? It was one of the many protests against the publication of cartoons depicting Mohammed in Western media over the last 20yrs. I don't call serious news events that culminated in the Charlie Hebdo killings, satire.

And I seriously hope you didn't try to post a link to a rape here.
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Old 20.02.2017, 13:52
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It's satire.
No, that's a genuine photo of muslim protests.
This is satire:

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Old 20.02.2017, 14:35
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nice to see a guy who has all the US armed forces, the FBI, the CIA, the police and all the other government agencies US citizens pay so much in tax to fund reporting directly to him, is getting his 'facts' from Fox news, FOX NEWS! I mean jesus FOX NEWS!!!!
Well look at the positives; Trump does not like the intelligence agencies so now he can use Fox News instead and save the costs of these agencies

BTW here is a report in a Swedish newspaper which corrects the errors in the Fox report, for example,
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2015 was the year that 163,000 refugees entered Sweden.
Fox claimed 160,000 also in 2016 but the actual number was 30,000.

Source (in Swedish)
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Old 20.02.2017, 15:02
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Well look at the positives; Trump does not like the intelligence agencies so now he can use Fox News instead and save the costs of these agencies

BTW here is a report in a Swedish newspaper which corrects the errors in the Fox report, for example,

2015 was the year that 163,000 refugees entered Sweden.
Fox claimed 160,000 also in 2016 but the actual number was 30,000.

Source (in Swedish)
Great! He can listen to Fox's wonderful experts - like the idiot who said Birmingham was a no go area for non-Muslims.

Probably the guy who mentioned Sweden to Trump.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-a-Muslim.html
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It's satire.

But obviously Sweden doesn't have a problem. Nothing to see here.

Deflect much? No one is saying that. But to paraphrase your mancrush: You think we're so innocent? We've got rapists, too.
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Old 20.02.2017, 15:11
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Great! He can listen to Fox's wonderful experts - like the idiot who said Birmingham was a no go area for non-Muslims.

Probably the guy who mentioned Sweden to Trump.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-a-Muslim.html
I love this quote in his "apology":

My comments about Birmingham were totally in error. And I am issuing an apology and correction on my website immediately for having made this comment about the beautiful city of Birmingham.

He's obviously still not been there .
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Old 20.02.2017, 15:23
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Deflect much? No one is saying that. But to paraphrase your mancrush: You think we're so innocent? We've got rapists, too.
There is already thread where you can find all the statistics which prove the rise in crime and sexual assaults that coincides with the European Migrant Crisis so I can't be bothered to go into it here.

The point is Trump never referred to a terrorist attack. He was perfectly within his right to name check Sweden and Germany. The handling of the migrant crisis will go down in history as a Cautionary Tale for years to come.

How Sweden became an example of how not to handle immigration
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Old 20.02.2017, 15:39
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“You look at what happened last night in Sweden,”

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/...t-mr-president
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There is already thread where you can find all the statistics which prove the rise in crime and sexual assaults that coincides with the European Migrant Crisis so I can't be bothered to go into it here.

The point is Trump never referred to a terrorist attack. He was perfectly within his right to name check Sweden and Germany. The handling of the migrant crisis will go down in history as a Cautionary Tale for years to come.

How Sweden became an example of how not to handle immigration
There are serious problems that need to be resolved, but you know why few buy these concerns coming from your side of the political spectrum? People aren't suffering from amnesia and still remember how the (the largely-Christian) European, US and Latin American right-wing parties had the rights of women and sexual assault pathetically low on their list of priorities, and in many cases still do. But now, when they can be used as a political football in their anti-Muslim policies, they're suddenly so concerned about the same women they would have (a few cases of overwhelming evidence aside) dismissed as lying hussies years back. We don't buy that people on the right care that much about these events except as a means to slap your hand on the table and go, "See! Of course they're Muslim!" Just like every other case of sexual assault and gun violence that seems to fly under your radar as an random inexplicable tragedy when it's committed by a white Westerner. There are messy realities at play, but no one buys you co-opting them like you have the answer. And I'm sure if you ask Germans and Swedes, a vast majority of them wouldn't want someone like Trump anywhere near the solution.
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The point is Trump never referred to a terrorist attack. He was perfectly within his right to name check Sweden and Germany.
In the context that Trump made the comment, he alluded to an incident happening on the previous night. Coming straight off the back of him claiming he had the biggest Electoral College vote since Reagan, somebody needs to step in quick smart and get his speeches fact checked before he makes an even bigger numpty of himself.

He's the POTUS. People are hanging on his every word. He should be concise, accurate and as truthful as possible, not having a team of his people going on tv the day after another hiccup saying ... "I think what he meant was...." We're not interested in what Priebus, Conway and Spicey "think he meant", we want to know what he actually meant.
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There is already thread where you can find all the statistics which prove the rise in crime and sexual assaults that coincides with the European Migrant Crisis so I can't be bothered to go into it here.

The point is Trump never referred to a terrorist attack. He was perfectly within his right to name check Sweden and Germany. The handling of the migrant crisis will go down in history as a Cautionary Tale for years to come.

How Sweden became an example of how not to handle immigration
It's slightly embarrassing that Trump is being defended for his sledge-hammer approach to addressing audiences, when you think how the previous administration was taken apart for the slightest turn of phrase that was open to interpretation or somehow misunderstood.

Now it's all just fine. Broad brush your way through a speech inferring and hinting, as well as using bendable and interchangable facts and figures. Nah, that's all okay these days.

Can you imagine the republicans popping a collective vein if Obama had vomited up such a poor quality address?
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