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Does anyone else here think that Trump is doing a fine job of deflecting attention from the many failings of the United States?

A minor scuffle in Sweden, which happened after Trump made some ambiguous comment based on something he'd seen on a fake news TV channel, looks rather like a Scout jamboree compared to every night in Chatham, Chicago (74 violent crimes in December alone, including 6 homicides). Must be all those Muslim refugees in South Chicago.

Just the opposite, Trump is calling out the problems in the country that many would rather like to sweep under the rug. Basically, things that do not work.

Trump represents reform. There is major resistance in any reform. What is ironic is whether those opposing Trump realize that they are basically being manipulated into upholding a corrupt and broken status quo.

Mainstream media is trying to offer some security blanket for people by casting Trump as the threat. But I don't really see Trump as a threat other than to an establishment that is refusing to acknowledge its problems and resist change.

I'm on Trump's side in the effort to reform the establishment. Once he's done, I could care less about Trump as a person. We're rooting for a better running and reformed USA here, not for the Orange man himself.
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Please explain why this is "Sensationalist BS"?

The article states a British citizen with a valid visa was removed from a flight to the US contrary to Home Office advice.
Are you disputing this statement?
It's a non-story - implying that he was removed from the plane because he is Muslim. Only there is no evidence for this.

It's like an EF 'SBB checked my ticket in the tram because they're racist' post.
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If you would look my posting history on here you would know I'm pro-immigration. You just have to send a CV first, fit in, not impose your culture on others and not become a burden upon the state. It's that simple.

European immigration is an ongoing disaster because successive governments and leaders have been too spineless to regulate it according to these simple criteria.

Switzerland does. Hence it works.
Lol, you really are comical

I assume the refugees missed the memo that said
When you are bombed out of your home be sure to rescue a pad of paper, a pen and a copy of your qualifications so you can write a good CV

p.s. Switzerland also accepts refugees without CVs
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Old 22.02.2017, 13:41
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Just the opposite, Trump is calling out the problems in the country that many would rather like to sweep under the rug. Basically, things that do not work.
Such as?
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Just the opposite, Trump is calling out the problems in the country that many would rather like to sweep under the rug. Basically, things that do not work.

Trump represents reform. There is major resistance in any reform. What is ironic is whether those opposing Trump realize that they are basically being manipulated into upholding a corrupt and broken status quo.

Mainstream media is trying to offer some security blanket for people by casting Trump as the threat. But I don't really see Trump as a threat other than to an establishment that is refusing to acknowledge its problems and resist change.

I'm on Trump's side in the effort to reform the establishment. Once he's done, I could care less about Trump as a person. We're rooting for a better running and reformed USA here, not for the Orange man himself.
Can you just clarify which establishment? The Cabinet, which is made up of people horrifically unskilled for the role but who contributed significantly to his campaign?

Or perhaps you mean physical establishment? like his Trump Tower penthouse, which the american taxpayer is paying the security for, despite the fact that there is no compelling reason he should be there rather than the luxurious mansion given to him by the american tax payer in the first place?

Or maybe you mean his Mar-A-Lago resort, which has more than doubled is rates when he started spending his weekends there, and for which the american taxpayer is footing the bill, while he discusses national secrets openly in the dining room.

Yes, definitely some reforming going on there.

Well, reform of his bank accounts, i mean. The US government, not so much.
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Old 22.02.2017, 13:45
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Polls show that even Europeans agree with Trump and wish they can apply the same border EO measures here.

Basically, Trump is still being proved to be right. Media talking heads are just not admitting it.

That is winning, no?
It's exactly this, not only do European's agree with Trump regarding Muslim migration they're even MORE extreme. But so many people, media, politicians are in denial that this is the case. Complete denial. People are pushed this way because there's no rational discussion to be had. So people make their views clear in the polling booth.

What Do Europeans Think About Muslim Immigration?
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Just the opposite, Trump is calling out the problems in the country that many would rather like to sweep under the rug.
Yeah, absolutely. Just not in his own country. Unless he thinks that Germany, Sweden, Brussels, Nice and Paris are all states and cities of the US. Actually, that wouldn't surprise me.
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Old 22.02.2017, 13:50
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Can you just clarify which establishment? The Cabinet, which is made up of people horrifically unskilled for the role but who contributed significantly to his campaign?

Or perhaps you mean physical establishment? like his Trump Tower penthouse, which the american taxpayer is paying the security for, despite the fact that there is no compelling reason he should be there rather than the luxurious mansion given to him by the american tax payer in the first place?

Or maybe you mean his Mar-A-Lago resort, which has more than doubled is rates when he started spending his weekends there, and for which the american taxpayer is footing the bill, while he discusses national secrets openly in the dining room.

Yes, definitely some reforming going on there.

Well, reform of his bank accounts, i mean. The US government, not so much.

The whole two-party system with media collusion has been able to execute their agendas without being held accountable for their performance. Hence, we have borders that don't work, law enforcement that is not effective, economics that eats its own people, and wars on the international front. Many things in the country don't work.

This is an opportunity to get rid of things that do not work, improve things that only partially work, and fortify things that work very well.

There is a lot of bitching, moaning and crying in the process. It is perpetuated through the media. That is mainly noise that can be ignored.

I don't think Trump will be able to fix everything. But he can set things in motion where the process of fixing things become a permanent fixture of US politics. This is much better than stagnation and apathy, as far as I'm concerned.
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Just the opposite, Trump is calling out the problems in the country that many would rather like to sweep under the rug. Basically, things that do not work.

Trump represents reform. There is major resistance in any reform. What is ironic is whether those opposing Trump realize that they are basically being manipulated into upholding a corrupt and broken status quo.

Mainstream media is trying to offer some security blanket for people by casting Trump as the threat. But I don't really see Trump as a threat other than to an establishment that is refusing to acknowledge its problems and resist change.

I'm on Trump's side in the effort to reform the establishment. Once he's done, I could care less about Trump as a person. We're rooting for a better running and reformed USA here, not for the Orange man himself.
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The whole two-party system with media collusion has been able to execute their agendas without being held accountable for their performance. Hence, we have borders that don't work, law enforcement that is not effective, economics that eats its own people, and wars on the international front. Many things in the country don't work.

This is an opportunity to get rid of things that do not work, improve things that only partially work, and fortify things that work very well.

There is a lot of bitching, moaning and crying in the process. It is perpetuated through the media. That is mainly noise that can be ignored.

I don't think Trump will be able to fix everything. But he can set things in motion where the process of fixing things become a permanent fixture of US politics. This is much better than stagnation and apathy, as far as I'm concerned.
So, to summarize, you are happy for him to use the presidency to enrich himself and his friends, to the great detriment of the american people, as long as he shows hints of reforming the bits of the US Government you think need reforming (even though you accept he is unlikely to do any actual reforming).

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Old 22.02.2017, 13:56
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Yeah, absolutely. Just not in his own country. Unless he thinks that Germany, Sweden, Brussels, Nice and Paris are all states and cities of the US. Actually, that wouldn't surprise me.
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Yeah, absolutely. Just not in his own country. Unless he thinks that Germany, Sweden, Brussels, Nice and Paris are all states and cities of the US. Actually, that wouldn't surprise me.
just vassal states, since the Marhall plan

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...py-chiefs.html
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Old 22.02.2017, 13:59
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So, to summarize, you are happy for him to use the presidency to enrich himself and his friends, to the great detriment of the american people, as long as he shows hints of reforming the bits of the US Government you think need reforming (even though you accept he is unlikely to do any actual reforming).

EF would not be as enjoyable without you, Phos. Please, never leave.

That is a ridiculous and baseless assumption, as he is not making any money as President. He forfeited his income.
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That is a ridiculous and baseless assumption, as he is not making any money as President. He forfeited his income.
That's what HE said
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That is a ridiculous and baseless assumption, as he is not making any money as President. He forfeited his income.
According to his last filed tax return, he didn't make any money as a businessman either. So really, he hasn't forfeited anything.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The fear of Trump making money is of no concern to me. If he can somehow erase the $20 trillion debt, I would be happy for him to be rewarded $1 trillion for himself.

I'm not interested in what Trump may or may not gain, I'm interested in improvements we can make in the US.
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That is a ridiculous and baseless assumption, as he is not making any money as President. He forfeited his income.
Did he now?


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The president is the sole beneficiary of the Donald J Trump Revocable Trust, which is tied to his social security number as the taxpayer identification number, according to documents published online by the investigative nonprofit ProPublica.
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Previous ethics advisers to Barack Obama and George W Bush and the leader of the Office of Government Ethics have said Trump has not gone nearly far enough to absolve himself of potential conflicts of interest. They have also raised concerns about his appointment of his son-in-law to a White House post, and filed suit alleging that Trump has violated the constitution’s ban on profiting from foreign governments.
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Trump’s two adult sons and Weisselberg are running the company while Trump is president, but Trump himself still financially benefits from it, the documents suggest. Precedent has been for presidents to sell off their holdings and place the cash into a truly blind trust – not one overseen by a family member – before taking office, even though there is no legal requirement to do so.
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The fear of Trump making money is of no concern to me. If he can somehow erase the $20 trillion debt, I would be happy for him to be rewarded $1 trillion for himself.

I'm not interested in what Trump may or may not gain, I'm interested in improvements we can make in the US.
So to reiterate:

You are happy for him to use the presidency to enrich himself and his friends, to the great detriment of the american people, as long as he shows hints of reforming the bits of the US Government you think need reforming (even though you accept he is unlikely to do any actual reforming).

Can i get a 'Hell, yeah!'
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The fear of Trump making money is of no concern to me. If he can somehow erase the $20 trillion debt, I would be happy for him to be rewarded $1 trillion for himself.

I'm not interested in what Trump may or may not gain, I'm interested in improvements we can make in the US.
So which tremendous policies has he proposed in order to do this?
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So to reiterate:

You are happy for him to use the presidency to enrich himself and his friends, to the great detriment of the american people, as long as he shows hints of reforming the bits of the US Government you think need reforming (even though you accept he is unlikely to do any actual reforming).

Can i get a 'Hell, yeah!'
Well, you are making things up at this point. I see no self-enriching to the detriment of the american people. You'd do better to first point out where that is taking place.
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It's a non-story - implying that he was removed from the plane because he is Muslim. Only there is no evidence for this.

It's like an EF 'SBB checked my ticket in the tram because they're racist' post.
It is your assumption it was because he is Muslim.
The article clearly stated "no reason was given"

So it was not "Sensational - BS" it was "Sensational - assumption"

It is not a non story; a British citizen with a valid visa was removed from his flight and not allowed to continue. This is a major story.

I will certainly reconsider any plans to tour the US.
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