View Poll Results: Will Trump be a good President? |
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22.02.2017, 16:31
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | It is unclear whether the US has authority to force Mexico to accept foreigners." | | | | | The only thing that Mexico can do to stop them is to build a wall.
And to pay for it.
Now who was it that first suggested that might be a good idea?
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22.02.2017, 16:32
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | From my link:
"Mr Kelly's memo also includes instructions to enforce an existing provision of the US Immigration and Nationality Act that allows authorities to send some people caught illegally at the border back to Mexico, regardless of where they are from.
It is unclear whether the US has authority to force Mexico to accept foreigners." | | | | | Precisely. The illegals in the US are mainly from Mexico so it's relatively easy to figure out from where they came.
Europe's problem is much more complex. Illegal immigrants could have come from any of a dozen nations which share a language or a culture or whatever links.
The assumption earlier in the thread that "Europe wishes it could do the same" is absolute rubbish because the problem is far more complex.
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22.02.2017, 16:36
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | The only thing that Mexico can do to stop them is to build a wall.
And to pay for it. Now who was it that first suggested that might be a good idea? | | | | | Someone who didn't know about the tunnels?
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22.02.2017, 16:37
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | Where are they deporting UNDOCUMENTED aliens to, that was the question at hand, naughty boy. | | | | | Wherever they come from.
There hasn't been a call for deportation of all illegal aliens. At the moment, the focus is on removing the constrictions applied on law enforcement by Obama. In orders, they will be allowed to apply the full measure of legal tools to do their jobs. At the moment, this is prescribed for criminal cases.
Its a first step in closing loop holes, and there are many more. This exercise is about closing one of many loopholes to establish the understanding that there are higher risks involved in attempting to enter the US illegally. The acknowledgement of that risk should already dissuade many from trying it.
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22.02.2017, 16:39
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | Someone who didn't know about the tunnels? | | | | | Don't the tunnels go both ways? | 
22.02.2017, 16:39
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Wherever they come from. | | | | | And if that is not known because they are undocumented with no papers and won't say from where they come?
Come on... and the answer is...?
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22.02.2017, 16:42
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | And if that is not known because they are undocumented with no papers and won't say from where they come?
Come on... and the answer is...? | | | | | Anything but to let them demonstrate there are no US borders. Lock 'em up if they committed a crime. Leave them alone if they haven't.
Anyone coming in from the southern border should be sent back that border.
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22.02.2017, 16:45
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Wherever they come from.
There hasn't been a call for deportation of all illegal aliens. At the moment, the focus is on removing the constrictions applied on law enforcement by Obama. In orders, they will be allowed to apply the full measure of legal tools to do their jobs. At the moment, this is prescribed for criminal cases.
Its a first step in closing loop holes, and there are many more. This exercise is about closing one of many loopholes to establish the understanding that there are higher risks involved in attempting to enter the US illegally. The acknowledgement of that risk should already dissuade many from trying it. | | | | | Nope, anyone now.
"Donald Trump's immigration order marks a sharp break with those Obama-era policies. Instead - according to the Department of Homeland Security implementation memos - the Trump administration essentially will "prioritise" the deportation of almost all undocumented immigrants, everywhere.
The Homeland Security Department's list of prioritised "removable aliens" is so broad as to include just about every class of undocumented immigrant - with only a carve-out for individuals who entered the US as children."
Btw if anyone's looking to immigrate (legally  ) there are a few job vacancies coming up soon.
"The DHS plans to hire an extra 10,000 agents for Immigration and Customs Enforcement and 5,000 more border patrol officers to enforce the new guidance."
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22.02.2017, 16:51
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President?
Donald Trump is just misunderstood | 
22.02.2017, 16:52
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Nope, anyone now.
"Donald Trump's immigration order marks a sharp break with those Obama-era policies. Instead - according to the Department of Homeland Security implementation memos - the Trump administration essentially will "prioritise" the deportation of almost all undocumented immigrants, everywhere.
The Homeland Security Department's list of prioritised "removable aliens" is so broad as to include just about every class of undocumented immigrant - with only a carve-out for individuals who entered the US as children."
Btw if anyone's looking to immigrate (legally ) there are a few job vacancies coming up soon.
"The DHS plans to hire an extra 10,000 agents for Immigration and Customs Enforcement and 5,000 more border patrol officers to enforce the new guidance." | | | | | It unshackles border patrol and ICE, and can be applied to anyone as that is the law. But in practice, it will keep law abiding aliens in place, excluding those who were brought there as children; Dreamers. Trump is keeping DACA in place.
You eat at just about any restaurant, and it was likely prepared by illegal aliens. You buy produce, and it was likely picked by illegal aliens. Those well manicured gardens are maintained by illegal aliens.
It is not about remove people who contribute value, its about removing those who don't contribute value and commit crimes.
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22.02.2017, 16:55
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | It is not about remove people who contribute value, its about removing those who don't contribute value and commit crimes. | | | | | You mean the wrong sort of Auslanders??
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22.02.2017, 16:58
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | It unshackles border patrol and ICE, and can be applied to anyone as that is the law. But in practice, it will keep law abiding aliens in place, excluding those who were brought there as children; Dreamers. Trump is keeping DACA in place.
You eat at just about any restaurant, and it was likely prepared by illegal aliens. You buy produce, and it was likely picked by illegal aliens. Those well manicured gardens are maintained by illegal aliens.
It is not about remove people who contribute value, its about removing those who don't contribute value and commit crimes. | | | | | If they're undocumented, illegal aliens they'll go whether they're cooking your food or mowing your lawn. Guess you'll have to learn to do both yourself. | 
22.02.2017, 16:59
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | You're new here.
This isn't hostile by EF standards. Not yet. | | | | |
Not really new, just not an especially active user
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22.02.2017, 17:01
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | If they're undocumented, illegal aliens they'll go whether they're cooking your food or mowing your lawn. Guess you'll have to learn to do both yourself.  | | | | | Yep, according to info above, one traffic infraction or other minor crime and oops, out you go.
It all sounds a bit fanciful, not to mention prohibitively costly.
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22.02.2017, 17:05
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | If they're undocumented, illegal aliens they'll go whether they're cooking your food or mowing your lawn. Guess you'll have to learn to do both yourself.  | | | | | Those undocumented workers are the lifeblood of Mexico. They send a lot of money back. They'll stay.
I had a gardener, Jose, who came twice a week with his son on a beat up pick-up truck. very humble man. As I got to know him, it turned out he was supporting about a dozen people in Mexico on a ranch he owns, that is larger than most estates found in my city.
These kinds of activities are positive and should be allowed to continue. The problem with allowing it to continue underground is that it is rife for abuse. It should be legitimized, and by doing so, should improve the lives of all those involved.
This is not about oppressing some minority as some SJWs would like to convince everyone it is.
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22.02.2017, 17:11
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Those undocumented workers are the lifeblood of Mexico. They send a lot of money back. They'll stay.
I had a gardener, Jose, who came twice a week with his son on a beat up pick-up truck. very humble man. As I got to know him, it turned out he was supporting about a dozen people in Mexico on a ranch he owns, that is larger than most estates found in my city.
These kinds of activities are positive and should be allowed to continue. The problem with allowing it to continue underground is that it is rife for abuse. It should be legitimized, and by doing so, should improve the lives of all those involved. This is not about oppressing some minority as some SJWs would like to convince everyone it is. | | | | | I think it's more about how the hell are they going to implement and pay for it, never mind you hiding behind the fluffy stuff you think SJW's are espousing.
It doesn't even seem workable.
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22.02.2017, 17:18
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | I think it's more about how the hell are they going to implement and pay for it, never mind you hiding behind the fluffy stuff you think SJW's are espousing.
It doesn't even seem workable. | | | | | Its not even that. They'll pay for it. They're hiring 10,000 more agents.
This is about looking for any and every possible fuss one can try to raise about Trump. But meanwhile, President Trump has plenty of support for it, and has an array of legal tools to carry it on. Americans actually agree with his actions, and Europeans as well.
This is Trump winning again. | 
22.02.2017, 17:18
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | those undocumented workers are the lifeblood of mexico. They send a lot of money back. They'll stay.
I had a gardener. These kinds of activities are positive and should be allowed to continue. | | | | | the end.
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22.02.2017, 17:21
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Its not even that. They'll pay for it. They're hiring 10,000 more agents.
This is about looking for any and every possible fuss one can try to raise about Trump. But meanwhile, President Trump has plenty of support for it, and has an array of legal tools to carry it on. Americans actually agree with his actions, and Europeans as well.
This is Trump winning again.  | | | | | Until he presents his adoring Americans with the tax bill - they'll love that.
Never mind - he might still have this mythical popularity in Europe you speak about seeing as we don't have to shoulder the cost.
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