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Old 22.02.2017, 17:26
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Until he presents his adoring Americans with the tax bill - they'll love that.

Never mind - he might still have this mythical popularity in Europe you speak about seeing as we don't have to shoulder the cost.

Yes they will. Mexicans should love it as well. He's actually cutting taxes as well.

That would be yuuge and amayzing.

There are things here that can be fixed and improved for everybody across the board; Americans as well as Mexican migrant workers. Resigning it to its current state, and not even bothering to do anything is a losing proposition for everybody.

I want to see Trump prove them wrong again.
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Old 22.02.2017, 17:30
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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If a person's refusal to cooperate with the authorities becomes a de-facto right to stay, there is something seriously wrong with the system.

See list of reasons that got Trump elected.
Well if you think it is a good idea that Trump sends undocumented immigrants to random countries then let us contact him and propose he sends them here to Switzerland

Some/most/all countries refuse to accept deportees who cannot prove they are citizens of said countries.
How uncooperative of them
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Old 22.02.2017, 17:33
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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If he can somehow erase the $20 trillion debt,
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He's actually cutting taxes as well.
Ah the blue eyed naivety of youth
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Old 22.02.2017, 17:38
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Ah the blue eyed naivety of youth
Suddenly it's no longer surprising that Trump got elected.

People don't want continuity, consistency and truth. They just want to be told what they want to hear. Hush now, don't worry that none of it is actually workable or practical or even legal.

Apparently he's winning but he's not actually done anything yet which has not been steam-rollered by the courts. No matter! It's a win!

I'm off to start a political party. BRB...
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Old 22.02.2017, 17:39
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Its not even that. They'll pay for it. They're hiring 10,000 more agents.

This is about looking for any and every possible fuss one can try to raise about Trump. But meanwhile, President Trump has plenty of support for it, and has an array of legal tools to carry it on. Americans actually agree with his actions, and Europeans as well.

This is Trump winning again.
I thought Trump had banned Federal agencies from recruiting to cut costs?
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Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, said that the president’s decision to freeze hiring was the result of a desire to show greater care for taxpayers’ money.
I have a great idea; why don't they recruit illegal immigrants as agents? Then they will simultaneously increase the number of agents and decrease the number of immigrants
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Old 22.02.2017, 18:20
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The term "undocumented" is just not right and was probably coined by the same person who created "pre-owned" vehicle. If it is against the law, it is illegal, not undocumented.
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Old 22.02.2017, 18:38
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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The term "undocumented" is just not right and was probably coined by the same person who created "pre-owned" vehicle. If it is against the law, it is illegal, not undocumented.
It's actually more complicated than that. Legalese distinguishes between a human and a person. To become a person, you need documents. Your further legal identity is attached to those documents, not to your person. You are identified by such factors as name and date and place of birth, facts that cannot be ascertained by looking at your physical self but that need paperwork. By stripping somebody of all documents, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, you also remove that individual's legal personhood.

It is legally possible but cumbersome to change your name or legal sex. It is virtually impossible to change your date of birth (I am still waiting for somebody to go to court over this. After all, if you feel like a woman in the body of a man, why shouldn't you feel like a different age. It's an arbitatry form of state sanctioned discrimination). But shedding your personhood and acquiring a new one is one way to get around that. If you happen to have black or brown skin, the authorities are more likely to believe your story though than if you are white. Is this discrimination?
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Old 22.02.2017, 19:22
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

There have been two petitions to the government in the UK about Trump's visit.

One calling for Trump to be granted a state visit including official visit to UK parliament and official reception with the Queen.

Another one calling for trump to be allowed a visit as a normal citizen, but not given the status of a state visit.

The UK parliament, lower house, is debating the petitions and part one of the official transcript follows, the debate is now adjourned for the day.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/common...rumpStateVisit

Watch the debate: http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index...8-3a012a80b2f5
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Old 22.02.2017, 19:32
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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I thought Trump had banned Federal agencies from recruiting to cut costs?


I have a great idea; why don't they recruit illegal immigrants as agents? Then they will simultaneously increase the number of agents and decrease the number of immigrants
Law enforcement is exempt from the Federal hiring freeze.

Not a bad idea to find a way to outsource law enforcement, so long as it is effective.
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Old 22.02.2017, 19:37
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There have been two petitions to the government in the UK about Trump's visit.

One calling for Trump to be granted a state visit including official visit to UK parliament and official reception with the Queen.

Another one calling for trump to be allowed a visit as a normal citizen, but not given the status of a state visit.

The UK parliament, lower house, is debating the petitions and part one of the official transcript follows, the debate is now adjourned for the day.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/common...rumpStateVisit

Watch the debate: http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index...8-3a012a80b2f5
All that happened on the 20th so what have they done the last couple of days? All the transcript ends up with are the words "Question put and negatived." Is that even a word?
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Old 22.02.2017, 19:45
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All that happened on the 20th....
I only just got it by e-mail: (14:28 today) either my Internet link is slow, or the Hansard typist has only 2 fingers...
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Old 22.02.2017, 20:19
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Law enforcement is exempt from the Federal hiring freeze.

Not a bad idea to find a way to outsource law enforcement, so long as it is effective.
So the story about Federal cost savings from the hire freeze was FAKE NEWS?

With salaries, recruitment and training costs, equipment and office space for 10,000 extra agents we are looking at some billions extra costs!

Is Trump able to sign off such extra budget or does he need Congress?
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I only just got it by e-mail: (14:28 today) either my Internet link is slow, or the Hansard typist has only 2 fingers...
Got mine this morning. I suspect it's a lack of trained typists. Companies seem to think they can do without secretaries these days, except for the highest level employees.
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Old 22.02.2017, 20:32
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This is starting to get very very tiresome, picking an Ambassador who wants to bring down the institution he's being assigned to Why not just do away with diplomats altogether and replace them with sales executives?

European parliament leaders call on EU to reject Trump's likely ambassador pick
Exclusive: Heads of parliament’s main political parties issue unprecedented call opposing Ted Malloch, who likened his goal to ‘bringing down the Soviet Union’............................................
Very long article in the ft about Ted Malloch's false claims re Acedemic qualifications and work experience

Source (might be behind a paywall)

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That he held an “ambassadorial level” role at the UN in Geneva, from which he “helped bring down the Soviet Union”. UN and US officials have said the role was not ambassadorial level.
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That he completed his “entire doctoral programme in an unprecedented less than three years”. Mr Malloch now says this did not include finishing his thesis.
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That he was a fellow at Wolfson and Pembroke colleges, Oxford. Both institutions deny such an affiliation. Mr Malloch rejects this.
& many more
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Old 22.02.2017, 20:41
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So the story about Federal cost savings from the hire freeze was FAKE NEWS?

With salaries, recruitment and training costs, equipment and office space for 10,000 extra agents we are looking at some billions extra costs!

Is Trump able to sign off such extra budget or does he need Congress?
The hiring freeze are for government bureaucrats who sit around trying to regulate people's lives. As he said, law enforcement and military are exempt from the hiring freeze, as they serve a real function of protecting the lives of the people.

It's part of draining the swamp.
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Old 22.02.2017, 20:50
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The hiring freeze are for government bureaucrats who sit around trying to regulate people's lives. As he said, law enforcement and military are exempt from the hiring freeze, as they serve a real function of protecting the lives of the people.

It's part of draining the swamp.
"government bureaucrats who sit around" You mean like the Postal Service?
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Old 22.02.2017, 21:26
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The hiring freeze are for government bureaucrats who sit around trying to regulate people's lives. As he said, law enforcement and military are exempt from the hiring freeze, as they serve a real function of protecting the lives of the people.

It's part of draining the swamp.
Dear oh dear.... just repeat what you have heard.... protecting people's lives if he actually took it seriously includes such things as ensuring downed animals are not entering the food chain, fresh water is not polluted, oh and perhaps ensuring kids don't get shot at school and a whole heap of other things...

But as we have learned it is very easy fool some American voters.
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Dear oh dear.... just repeat what you have heard.... protecting people's lives if he actually took it seriously includes such things as ensuring downed animals are not entering the food chain, fresh water is not polluted, oh and perhaps ensuring kids don't get shot at school and a whole heap of other things...

But as we have learned it is very easy fool some American voters.
Voting already took place last November. It is about execution at this phase.

Of all the Presidents and politicians we've had of late, so far, this one appears to be carrying through with what he said he would do.
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Voting already took place last November. It is about execution at this phase.

Of all the Presidents and politicians we've had of late, so far, this one appears to be carrying through with what he said he would do.
Well he's talking and tweeting a lot but there's not much action going on, is there...
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Interesting article...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/t...nore.html?_r=0


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It wasn’t my aim to stick my head in the sand. I did not quit the news. Instead, I spent as much time as I normally do online (all my waking hours), but shifted most of my energy to looking for Trump-free zones.

My point: I wanted to see what I could learn about the modern news media by looking at how thoroughly Mr. Trump had subsumed it. In one way, my experiment failed: I could find almost no Trump-free part of the press.

But as the week wore on, I discovered several truths about our digital media ecosystem. Coverage of Mr. Trump may eclipse that of any single human being ever. The reasons have as much to do with him as the way social media amplifies every big story until it swallows the world. And as important as covering the president may be, I began to wonder if we were overdosing on Trump news, to the exclusion of everything else.
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