Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 258

marton · #**5141** 23.02.2017, 09:53

	Quote:	marton
	BTW, there was some talk of a new Executive Order planned for yesterday with a rewritten immigration rule set. I assume this has not happened yet, maybe today?

Update

Seems that the new EO will likely be next week.
This time around the White House are involving many more people and agencies to get it right.

The major difficulty they have is to make it "Constitution proof"!
One issue is that regardless of the actual EO content any challengers will ask courts to take account of Trump's campaign speeches where he spoke about banning Muslims; he has never withdrawn this statement.

Source

It will be a big "lose" for Trump if he fails to get it right this time around and so fails to deliver a major campaign promise.

#**5142** 23.02.2017, 09:57

Even the Prime Minister of Sweden acknowledged they have a problem with immigrants.

#**5143** 23.02.2017, 09:59

	Quote:	Phos
	People and events acknowledge there are indeed problems with immigrants in Sweden.

Of course there are problems with immigrants in Sweden. There are also problems with neo-nazis in Sweden, too, and their booze is eye-wateringly priced for that matter, if we are on the subject of problems.

Doesn't mean a shoddily researched and poorly written article scores a "win" for Trump, does it?

Have you got any information that isn't clutching at straws?

J2488 · #**5144** 23.02.2017, 10:02

	Quote:	Phos
	Even the Prime Minister of Sweden acknowledged they have a problem with immigrants.

The Prime minster of Sweden would disagree with that.

	Quote:
	According to Bloomberg, Loefven acknowledged during Monday’s press conference that the country faces “many challenges” but that Sweden was also a place of opportunity. The Nordic nation is generally viewed as progressive with a strong track record on employment, equality, health and social services.

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	While the huge inflows strained the system, Sweden has arguably tackled the challenges well. The extra spending on refugees helped stoke an economic boom and the country has managed to turn deficits into surpluses

Bloomberg Source

#**5145** 23.02.2017, 10:02

There is plenty of information out there on the rise in crime associated with the sudden influx of undocumented migrants; rapes, riots, gun violence even grenades.

J2488 · #**5146** 23.02.2017, 10:03

	Quote:	Phos
	There is plenty of information out there on the rise in crime associated with the sudden influx of undocumented migrants; rapes, riots, gun violence even grenades.

There is.

The problem is that it tends to be bullshit.

#**5147** 23.02.2017, 10:03

	Quote:	Phos
	There is plenty of information out there on the rise in crime associated with the sudden influx of undocumented migrants; rapes, riots, gun violence even grenades.

Lol, even grenades.

#**5148** 23.02.2017, 10:07

	Quote:
	Lol, even grenades.

Even grenades.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ived-if-he-sl/

J2488 · #**5149** 23.02.2017, 10:09

Lol. This is just delicious.

	Quote:
	The Air Force can’t account for $1 billion in savings that President Donald Trump said he’s negotiated for the program to develop, purchase and operate two new Boeing Co. jets to serve as Air Force One. “To my knowledge I have not been told that we have that information,” Colonel Pat Ryder, an Air Force spokesman, told reporters Wednesday when asked how Trump had managed to reduce the price for the new presidential plane. “I refer you to the White House,” Ryder said. A White House spokesman didn’t respond to repeated inquiries about Trump’s comments. Trump has boasted that he’s personally intervened to cut costs of two military aircraft -- the F-35, the fighter jet built by Lockheed Martin Corp., and Boeing’s Air Force One.

FAAAAAKKKKKEEEE NEEEEWWWWWSS (And a Fake Air Force)

J2488 · #**5150** 23.02.2017, 10:11

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Even grenades. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ived-if-he-sl/

So, 1 incident in a gang war means refugees and immigrants are importing grenades.

Got it.

#**5151** 23.02.2017, 10:12

	Quote:	J2488
	So, 1 incident in a gang war means refugees and immigrants are importing grenades. Got it.

There has been about a hundred grenade attacks in Sweden in the last couple of years.

#**5152** 23.02.2017, 10:17

	Quote:	J2488
	So, 1 incident in a gang war means refugees and immigrants are importing grenades. Got it.

One incident...

List of grenade attacks in Sweden

J2488 · #**5153** 23.02.2017, 10:24

Ok, so we're mingling gang wars with immigration now. Ok.

	Quote:
	Drug War related homicides in the US Average 1,100 a year.

People in glass houses should not throw stones.

Total gang-related casualties are far, far higher.

marton · #**5154** 23.02.2017, 10:25

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Even grenades. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ived-if-he-sl/

From your link

	Quote:
	Sweden is generally a peaceful, safe country with low crime rates

#**5155** 23.02.2017, 10:33

	Quote:	Phos
	There is plenty of information out there on the rise in crime associated with the sudden influx of undocumented migrants; rapes, riots, gun violence even grenades.

Exactly. Poor, migrant-riddled Europe is sooooo much more dangerous than the USA, isn't it!

Except your change of dying a violent death in the US is some 6 times higher than in poor old violent, terrorist-ridden Europe.

Oh and there's far more evidence out there that crime rates HAVEN'T increased with the influx of undocumented migrants.

#**5156** 23.02.2017, 10:35

	Quote:	Phos
	There is plenty of information out there on the rise in crime associated with the sudden influx of undocumented migrants; rapes, riots, gun violence even grenades.

Shrill

amogles · #**5157** 23.02.2017, 10:36

	Quote:	marton
	From your link

	Quote:
	Sweden is generally a peaceful, safe country with low crime rates

Weren't you teling us just recently that the recent influx of immigration has caused crime rates to plummet.

So either Sweden is a generally a peaceful, safe country with low crime rates, or it has recently become one. This is not the same thing.

In either case, a fresh grenade attack is not good news.

Or we just all admit that we don't have a clue and that we're extrapolating from data we don't fully understand?

Rob · #**5158** 23.02.2017, 10:39

	Quote:	Phos
	There is plenty of information out there on the rise in crime associated with the sudden influx of undocumented migrants; rapes, riots, gun violence even grenades.

Mainly on Breitbart, PrisonPlanet and Infowars:

A good piece about it from Vox

http://www.vox.com/world/2017/2/19/1...st-attack-fake

J2488 · #**5159** 23.02.2017, 10:39

	Quote:	amogles
	Weren't you teling us just recently that the recent influx of immigration has caused crime rates to plummet. So either Sweden is a generally a peaceful, safe country with low crime rates, or it has recently become one. In either case, a fresh grenade attack is not good news. Or we just all admit that we don't have a clue and that we're extrapolating from data we don't fully understand?

If August 2016 is 'Fresh' for you, i will not be attending your dinner party.

marton · #**5160** 23.02.2017, 10:41

When it boils down to matters of trust, a majority of Americans say they trust the media more than President Trump, according to a new poll.

The Quinnipiac University poll, released on Wednesday, asked participants if the media or Trump "tell you the truth about important issues."
The survey said that 52% of voters trust the media, with only 37% saying they trusted Trump more.

Source

Apologies for returning to the topic

However, 78% of Republican voters said that Trump tells them the truth, not the media,