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Mainly on Breitbart, PrisonPlanet and Infowars:

A good piece about it from Vox

http://www.vox.com/world/2017/2/19/1...st-attack-fake
There are plenty of reports of immigrant crimes in Sweden across the whole spectrum:

Boston Globe:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...CBL/story.html

Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-i...ing-1487807010


The typical routine is to deny it when the topic is about limiting immigration, and then to tout it when the topic is about funding social programs to try to prevent it.
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Old 23.02.2017, 11:46
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Thank you for confirming these grenade attacks were a feature of Swedish crime long before the recent wave of refugees
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Old 23.02.2017, 11:54
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There are plenty of reports of immigrant crimes in Sweden across the whole spectrum:

Boston Globe:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...CBL/story.html

Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-i...ing-1487807010


The typical routine is to deny it when the topic is about limiting immigration, and then to tout it when the topic is about funding social programs to try to prevent it.
So one incident that was smaller than a typical Swiss football riot is now a crime wave
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When it boils down to matters of trust, a majority of Americans say they trust the media more than President Trump, according to a new poll.

The Quinnipiac University poll, released on Wednesday, asked participants if the media or Trump "tell you the truth about important issues."
The survey said that 52% of voters trust the media, with only 37% saying they trusted Trump more.

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Apologies for returning to the topic

However, 78% of Republican voters said that Trump tells them the truth, not the media,
But this question in itself can be leading and open to interprettaion.

What is "the media"? Does it include the likes of Infowars?

If you ask somebody who gets a lot of their information off infowars, who do you trust more, Trump or the media, is it objectively representative to lump that response into the same category as somebody who has a narrower understanding of what constitutes the media?
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Thank you for confirming these grenade attacks were a feature of Swedish crime long before the recent wave of refugees
Do ever bother to actually read the details?
91-98: at least a dozen in 8 years - so 2 a year would be a fair estimate
08 - 1 attacks
09 - 2 attacks
10 - 7 attacks
11 - 12 attacks
13 - 3 attacks
14 - 12 attacks
15 - 29 attacks
16 - 34 attacks

In 2013 there was immigration of 116,000 (give or take) the highest on record. In 2014 81,300 people applied for asylum - up 50% on 2013. That number was exceeded in the first 10 months of 2015. Although numbers subsided in 2016.

Yes - grenade attacks have been consistently perpetrated in the last 20 years in Sweden, however there has been a sharp increase in the last 3 years which may or not be correlated to the increase in immigration (with or without asylum).
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Do ever bother to actually read the details?
91-98: at least a dozen in 8 years - so 2 a year would be a fair estimate
08 - 1 attacks
09 - 2 attacks
10 - 7 attacks
11 - 12 attacks
13 - 3 attacks
14 - 12 attacks
15 - 29 attacks
16 - 34 attacks

In 2013 there was immigration of 116,000 (give or take) the highest on record. In 2014 81,300 people applied for asylum - up 50% on 2013. That number was exceeded in the first 10 months of 2015. Although numbers subsided in 2016.

Yes - grenade attacks have been consistently perpetrated in the last 20 years in Sweden, however there has been a sharp increase in the last 3 years which may or not be correlated to the increase in immigration (with or without asylum).
You're wasting your time. It's pointless trying to use logic to remove a person from a place logic didn't take them to.
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Old 23.02.2017, 12:22
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Or we just all admit that we don't have a clue and that we're extrapolating from data we don't fully understand?
This.
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There are plenty of reports of immigrant crimes in Sweden across the whole spectrum:

Boston Globe:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...CBL/story.html

Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-i...ing-1487807010


The typical routine is to deny it when the topic is about limiting immigration, and then to tout it when the topic is about funding social programs to try to prevent it.
BTW, where does it state in your links that the crimes were committed by immigrants?
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Old 23.02.2017, 12:39
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Do ever bother to actually read the details?
91-98: at least a dozen in 8 years - so 2 a year would be a fair estimate
08 - 1 attacks
09 - 2 attacks
10 - 7 attacks
11 - 12 attacks
13 - 3 attacks
14 - 12 attacks
15 - 29 attacks
16 - 34 attacks

In 2013 there was immigration of 116,000 (give or take) the highest on record. In 2014 81,300 people applied for asylum - up 50% on 2013. That number was exceeded in the first 10 months of 2015. Although numbers subsided in 2016.

Yes - grenade attacks have been consistently perpetrated in the last 20 years in Sweden, however there has been a sharp increase in the last 3 years which may or not be correlated to the increase in immigration (with or without asylum).
"there has been a sharp increase in the last 3 years which may or not be correlated to the increase in immigration" are you trying to make a point? If so what is it?
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"there has been a sharp increase in the last 3 years which may or not be correlated to the increase in immigration" are you trying to make a point? If so what is it?
That numpties on the internet will happily tie 2 pieces of data together to create a causation.
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Old 23.02.2017, 14:58
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"there has been a sharp increase in the last 3 years which may or not be correlated to the increase in immigration" are you trying to make a point? If so what is it?
It is indeed difficult to say whether the increase in grenade attacks correlates with immigration.

It is however even more difficult to interpret these statistics to indicate a decrease, regardless of whether or not that decrease had anything to do with immiigration.

So I'll just repeat my earlier statment that we are increasingly speculating on speculation. The discussion is fast becoming pointless.
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The discussion is fast becoming pointless.
Nobody has changed their opinion on anything since post #1, so, yup.
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Nobody has changed their opinion on anything since post #1, so, yup.
My opinion on some posters has though
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Old 23.02.2017, 15:36
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Nobody has changed their opinion on anything since post #1, so, yup.
I have. I didn't like Trump from the beginning, and didn't really think he is fit to be President. But he won, and is President. I still don't have to like him. He just cracks me up as he triggers his opponents. But as President, I'm hoping he does well for the US. He is certainly capable of boldness, and does show he has balls to deal with things, so I'm confident he'll do a great job.

I think over time people will learn to look more objectively and honestly at the situation, and properly identify the positive aspects. At the moment, a large number of people are still smarting from the buttache and are too immature to admit it.

He's certainly has done a great job at sticking to what he said during his campaign. That is a lot more than what other politicians do. It's a lot of fun, really. I just wish he would tweet more.
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That numpties on the internet will happily tie 2 pieces of data together to create a causation.
Numpties not required.

As I have posted before, the official Swedish crime figures are published here; even in English language!

These figures do not support the various claims of increased offences!

But maybe if Trump keeps repeating these claims then it will become another case of a self fulfilling prophecy
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I have. I didn't like Trump from the beginning, and didn't really think he is fit to be President. But he won, and is President. I still don't have to like him. He just cracks me up as he triggers his opponents. But as President, I'm hoping he does well for the US. He is certainly capable of boldness, and does show he has balls to deal with things, so I'm confident he'll do a great job.

I think over time people will learn to look more objectively and honestly at the situation, and properly identify the positive aspects. At the moment, a large number of people are still smarting from the buttache and are too immature to admit it.

He's certainly has done a great job at sticking to what he said during his campaign. That is a lot more than what other politicians do. It's a lot of fun, really. I just wish he would tweet more.
Maybe in time you will honestly admit to yourself that not everyone shares your (often bizarre) opinions and views. And that's ok. You can let it go now.

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Maybe in time you will honestly admit to yourself that not everyone shares your (often bizarre) opinions and views. And that's ok. You can let it go now.

Vive la difference, old boy, vive la difference...

Well, its just enough of the US that has voted Trump in. It certainly isn't a minority. But most of all, I deal with objective reality, you folks deal with imagined butt hurt feelings.
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I have. I didn't like Trump from the beginning, and didn't really think he is fit to be President. But he won, and is President. I still don't have to like him. He just cracks me up as he triggers his opponents. But as President, I'm hoping he does well for the US. He is certainly capable of boldness, and does show he has balls to deal with things, so I'm confident he'll do a great job.

I think over time people will learn to look more objectively and honestly at the situation, and properly identify the positive aspects. At the moment, a large number of people are still smarting from the buttache and are too immature to admit it.

He's certainly has done a great job at sticking to what he said during his campaign. That is a lot more than what other politicians do. It's a lot of fun, really. I just wish he would tweet more.
I don't like Trump as a person and I don't feel comfortable with some things he says. He comes across as egocentric, not one bit compassionate and someone who tweets faster than he thinks.

However, I was pleased that he won as I felt that too many people had got too comfortable with the status quo and that the complicity of the two parties along with the mainstream media and other institutions was bad for democracy. The reactions since his victory have only strengthened me in that view.

A positive interpretation by the left might be to say: I don't agree with Trump or with anything he stands for. But he showed that you can gain power by disregarding all the rules and backroom chumminess and actually hijack one of the main parties and ride it to power. Let's try and do the same.

A negative interpretation might be to say: Oh no, he won. He won by disregarding all the backroom chuminess (which we too disapprove of by the way, but how dare he disapprove of stuff we disapproved of first, yeah, including globalization, TTP and the whole shebang) and let's go into reactionary denial mode and wallow in the glorious past, you know, when Obama spoke of "change" but thank god, we all knew it was just a buzzword.

To me it seems the reaction is largely in the second category. That is sad.

In my view the worst that can happen is that the whole Trump episode turns out to be a distraction, and that the old guard will eventually wrest back power. The best is that some real change can come from this, and that others who seek change can feel empowered by what Trump acheived and seek to emulate him.

A broader spectrum of viewpoints is good for democracy.
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I have. I didn't like Trump from the beginning, and didn't really think he is fit to be President. But he won, and is President. I still don't have to like him. He just cracks me up as he triggers his opponents. But as President, I'm hoping he does well for the US. He is certainly capable of boldness, and does show he has balls to deal with things, so I'm confident he'll do a great job.

I think over time people will learn to look more objectively and honestly at the situation, and properly identify the positive aspects. At the moment, a large number of people are still smarting from the buttache and are too immature to admit it.

He's certainly has done a great job at sticking to what he said during his campaign. That is a lot more than what other politicians do. It's a lot of fun, really. I just wish he would tweet more.
"I just wish he would tweet more." Now he realises these tweets can be used as evidence in court he may become more circumspect?
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I lived in Göteborg in the early 80s, have a lot of friends and family there and in Stockholm, and travel to various Swedish cities for business/vacation several times per year. Things have changed a lot since I lived there. Many people are alarmed that the crime statistics are not being reported correctly; that there may even be a gov't directive behind this.

Places like Rinkeby, where the most recent riots occurred, are not much different than the Banlieue(s), surrounding parts of Paris. People do talk about "no-go zones" though officially they do not exist.

You don't have to believe the MSM, but I have been there. I happened to be in Stockholm in 2013 when one of the riots broke out, and saw what happened.

Does this make me a "numpty?"

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Numpties not required.

As I have posted before, the official Swedish crime figures are published here; even in English language!

These figures do not support the various claims of increased offences!

But maybe if Trump keeps repeating these claims then it will become another case of a self fulfilling prophecy

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