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Old 24.02.2017, 11:17
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

An interesting if not scary opinion piece on Bannon in the Guardian today.



Steve Bannon lifted his mask of death at CPAC. It wasn't a pretty sight


I find it hard to believe the US is not heading into an era of fascist rehtoric and posturing.
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I find it hard to believe the US is not heading into an era of fascist rehtoric and posturing.
It's the alt-left and the left-wing media who keeps feeding the "fascist" hysteria.

Here is the "fascist" VP cleaning up a Jewish cemetery that was vandalized. Doesn't quite fit with the alt-left narrative, does it?

http://wgntv.com/2017/02/23/mike-pen...wish-cemetery/

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“We condemn this vile act of vandalism and those who perpetrate it in the strongest possible terms,” he said to applause, before recalling his recent visit to a concentration camp in Dachau, Germany. “We saw firsthand what happens when hatred runs rampant in a society.”

Pence told the story of the Americans who liberated the camp and how welcome they were in the eyes of the Jews who were imprisoned there.
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Old 24.02.2017, 12:04
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According to the Washington Post, since inauguration President Trump has told an average of four lies per day

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And how many lies per day does the Washington Post print?
Maybe this is one of them?
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Old 24.02.2017, 12:05
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

If we were to get fascism in the US, it would come from the left. We barely avoided it in the last election.
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Old 24.02.2017, 12:42
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And how many lies per day does the Washington Post print?
Maybe this is one of them?
Not a fair comparison. Trump's Average is only 5-6 tweets/day. The WP sometimes uses sentences longer than 140 characters, and they invariably publish more than 5 sentences/day. If Trump's oevre were (any) thicker he'd beat the WP hands down.
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Old 24.02.2017, 12:45
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

That people are able to call Trump "fascist" and then aren't put in prison for it more or less proves he isn't a fascist.

And still they don't get it.
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Old 24.02.2017, 12:48
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That people are able to call Trump "fascist" and then aren't put in prison for it more or less proves he isn't a fascist.

And still they don't get it.
How long will that be the case for? Wasn't one of his big campaign promises reform of libel laws?

Someone already posted a link earlier where he's considering suing a critic.
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How long will that be the case for?
I would be willing to bet big money on this being the case for the entire time he is in power.
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Old 24.02.2017, 12:52
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How long will that be the case for? Wasn't one of his big campaign promises reform of libel laws?

Someone already posted a link earlier where he's considering suing a critic.
US Presidents don't create laws. They only execute existing laws. He can propose laws, but congress has to approve them.

America is not structured to support fascism.
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Old 24.02.2017, 12:54
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It's the alt-left and the left-wing media who keeps feeding the "fascist" hysteria.

Here is the "fascist" VP cleaning up a Jewish cemetery that was vandalized. Doesn't quite fit with the alt-left narrative, does it?

http://wgntv.com/2017/02/23/mike-pen...wish-cemetery/

American muslims fundraised 110'000$ for the Missouri Jewish cemetery and brought comfort to heartbroken jewish families.

Doesn't quite fit with your anti-muslim narrative, does it?
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Old 24.02.2017, 12:56
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American muslims fundraised 110'000$ for the Missouri Jewish cemetery and brought comfort to heartbroken jewish families.

Doesn't quite fit with your anti-muslim narrative, does it?
That's the way to do it. It is much more effective PR than anti-Jewish rants, BDS and terrorism.
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Old 24.02.2017, 13:11
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US Presidents don't create laws. They only execute existing laws. He can propose laws, but congress has to approve them.

America is not structured to support fascism.
Someone needs to tell the President.
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Old 24.02.2017, 13:26
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Someone needs to tell the President.
He knows that. See what happened to his travel ban EO?

I think someone needs to tell the hystericals, to be honest.
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Old 24.02.2017, 13:36
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He knows that. See what happened to his travel ban EO?

I think someone needs to tell the hystericals, to be honest.
Ask Sally Yates about how open Trump is to input when he's trying to implement a law via EO.

Yes, I know she was only acting AG, and yes, she knew that she would be vacating her seat as soon as he found a substitute, but isn't it the AG's job to advise the President of the legal ramifications of his actions? I'm presuming, of course, that she at some point said or wrote "Donald, it won't float." before she went public.
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He knows that. See what happened to his travel ban EO?

I think someone needs to tell the hystericals, to be honest.
You mean the bit where he tried to foist an order on the government?

The same ban which was struck down as being unconstitutional, after it had been enforced for a period of time?

And the same ban over which the president told a federal court that he would (believe it or not) see them in court about?

[i mean, where else would you see a court, other than in court, for gods sake]

Yeah, that wasn't a good example to use to back up your suggestion about trumpington not wanting to overreach.

The man you seem to have such eye-crossing palpitations over is, in fact, the very definition of a snowflake and a hysterical.
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He knows that. See what happened to his travel ban EO?

I think someone needs to tell the hystericals, to be honest.
His failed travel ban proves precisely that he doesn't know that.
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WH said they've only held about 200 people. Is it an Apocalypse?
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Nearly 750 people subjected to travel ban after court order

The federal government said Thursday 23Feb that 746 people were “detained or processed” during the 27-hour period after a federal judge blocked enforcement of part of President Trump’s travel ban.
The lawyers agreed not to make the names public, but a cover letter from the Justice Department obtained by The Hill says “the list includes legal permanent residents.”
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Surely the WH did not give a false number
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Old 24.02.2017, 13:55
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The US Presidency is not a dictatorship. Talk of Trump being fascist dictator is a ridiculous far-fetched fantasy. The structure of the US government and the constitution doesn't allow for it. The functional power of the presidency is more like the rudder of a ship, it points towards a direction, and the rest of the machine drives it there.
One definition of a dictator is "someone who rules by diktat"
Definition of diktat "an order or decree imposed by someone in power without popular consent ”

Now let us look at Trump's executive orders!

Luckily if EOs appear to be unconstitutional there are groups around to challenge them.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

All those things Trump has done to date are in line with his interpretation of existing laws, and his campaign mandate. Where there is contention, it goes to courts. He can then re-issue accordingly, or contest the courts. This is usual business for presidents.

As for hysterics about fascism and Bannon, it shows no comprehension and understanding of their actual perspective and present situations. Bannon himself is calling for the destruction of what he calls the "Administrative State". That is where the seat of fascism is. How does that reconcile?

But I suppose that level comprehension is lost on the grammar school level of media reporting we see these days. I think you folks consume too much of it.

I know, Apocaplypsism is more exciting, isn't it? Go for it. Its fun to watch some of the hysteria. Its just that some of us are not as naive, you know?
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All those things Trump has done to date are in line with his interpretation of existing laws, and his campaign mandate. Where there is contention, it goes to courts. He can then re-issue accordingly, or contest the courts. This is usual business for presidents.

As for hysterics about fascism and Bannon, it shows no comprehension and understanding of their actual perspective and present situations. Bannon himself is calling for the destruction of what he calls the "Administrative State". That is where the seat of fascism is. How does that reconcile?

But I suppose that level comprehension is lost on the grammar school level of media reporting we see these days. I think you folks consume too much of it.

I know, Apocaplypsism is more exiting, isn't it? Go for it. Its fun to watch some of the hysteria. Its just that some of us are not as naive, you know?
"Apocaplypsism is more exiting" Going where?
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