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Old 24.02.2017, 15:07
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Without some aspects of multiculturalism in Switzerland, there would be very little diversity in food or music and no assimilation of English, for example, in daily life.
Sure. But multi-culturalism isn't a "good" or "bad" thing. It happens organically, with people moving (legally) between countries. Nothing to do with massive illegal immigration tho.
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Ironically, everyone commenting on this forum is living in one.

It's nothing to do with left or right of the political landscape, Switzerland just manages to secure its borders better than most places through decent management.

Of course there are people that get through and yes, there are illegals and other immigrants that are in a grey area, not to mention a raft of asylum seekers but the management and processing of immigration makes the UK and the US look like the Keystone cops by comparison.

It's easy to blame the problem on one or the other side of politics to hide the highly evident but simple case of stupidity.

Unfortunately the king of stupid is currently sitting with his finger up his arse in the White House trying to figure out why his idiotic EOs are going up in smoke.
"Switzerland just manages to secure its borders better than most .." I would like to agree with you but Switzerland, like all the EU countries in Schengen, relies on the EU external border countries to secure the borders.
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Without some aspects of multiculturalism in Switzerland, there would be very little diversity in food or music and no assimilation of English, for example, in daily life.
Cultural diversity is good, and is not the root of the problem. The problem arises when you have pockets of sub-cultures that are then exploited by the left with identity politics. We have situations where the left tends to use this to divide instead of uniting a society. They prevent proper integration.
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Cultural diversity is good, and is not the root of the problem. The problem arises when you have pockets of sub-cultures that are then exploited by the left with identity politics. We have situations where the left tends to use this to divide instead of uniting a society. They prevent proper integration.
Notoriously left organisations, such as the KKK presumably.
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Sure. You can freely donate to charities, or volunteer time to help others, etc.
Inviting everyone from a poor country to come live in Europe is not the answer IMHO. And not really compassionate either, because you will never be able to bring them all here. The best, and most compassionate thing to do is to help rebuild their home countries.
and in the meantime what do you propose we do about the young kids starving and dying of cold in refugee camps all over? Serious question, your suggestions please.
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Cultural diversity is good, and is not the root of the problem. The problem arises when you have pockets of sub-cultures that are then exploited by the left with identity politics. We have situations where the left tends to use this to divide instead of uniting a society. They prevent proper integration.
Yeah, what you need is to build awareness and launch a real right wing poster campaign to bring together all those different cultures in a big old hug fest, dontcha?
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Old 24.02.2017, 15:42
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A group of 15 law professors nationwide has reportedly filed a professional misconduct complaint against White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, saying she "brings shame upon the legal profession."

The letter was filed with the office that handles misconduct by members of the Washington, D.C. bar, The Washington Post said Friday.
Conway was admitted in 1995.

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Old 24.02.2017, 15:44
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A group of 15 law professors nationwide has reportedly filed a professional misconduct complaint against White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, saying she "brings shame upon the legal profession."

The letter was filed with the office that handles misconduct by members of the Washington, D.C. bar, The Washington Post said Friday.
Conway was admitted in 1995.

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So one bunch of lawyers is accusing another of bringing shame on the profession?

Pot, kettle, black?
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"Switzerland just manages to secure its borders better than most .." I would like to agree with you but Switzerland, like all the EU countries in Schengen, relies on the EU external border countries to secure the borders.
I think that's exactly the difference, though. Everyone talks about securing borders as if that's the be all and end all and will solve the problem. Switzerland makes it so you are pretty much forced to make yourself known to the authorities otherwise you can't get anywhere. No housing, no job, no healthcare, no schooling for your kids.

Basically, you can wander into the country disguised as a lump of cheese but it doesn't matter if you can't have access to anything when you get here.

OK, so there is an element which is surviving quite nicely without having to register with the local authority but the current system here means that is minimal compared to, say, the US or the UK where everyone suddenly starts losing their minds if they are expected to carry ID documents or register with the authorities.

No system is perfect but it is clear that purely tackling border security is pointless if it's a free-for-all once you get in.
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Cultural diversity is good, and is not the root of the problem. The problem arises when you have pockets of sub-cultures that are then exploited by the left with identity politics. We have situations where the left tends to use this to divide instead of uniting a society. They prevent proper integration.
i think you can stop with the right left nonsense. Forming ghettos of minority subcultures has been orchestrated by pretty much every majority group.
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I think that's exactly the difference, though. Everyone talks about securing borders as if that's the be all and end all and will solve the problem. Switzerland makes it so you are pretty much forced to make yourself known to the authorities otherwise you can't get anywhere. No housing, no job, no healthcare, no schooling for your kids.

Basically, you can wander into the country disguised as a lump of cheese but it doesn't matter if you can't have access to anything when you get here.

OK, so there is an element which is surviving quite nicely without having to register with the local authority but the current system here means that is minimal compared to, say, the US or the UK where everyone suddenly starts losing their minds if they are expected to carry ID documents or register with the authorities.

No system is perfect but it is clear that purely tackling border security is pointless if it's a free-for-all once you get in.

Switzerland can only afford to have open borders because the neighbouring countries are not too different from Switzerland, and are also generally law abiding and peaceful, and because overall illigal immigration is relatively insignificant.

Nevertheless, the authorities do sometimes clamp down on illegality. They regularly raid building sites and brothels for example to clamp down on anybody working there without the necessary paperwork (and on the bosses who knowingly employ such people). Society as a whole is supportive of such clampdowns as they feel the same rules need to apply for everybody. This has nothing to do with xenophobia but just with civic sense.

If there were suddenly a far higher number of illegals and these were having a serious effect on certain sectors of the economy, I'm sure people would be supportive of there being more thorough actions, including protection of borders.
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Old 24.02.2017, 16:14
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Worth watching to the end...

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Switzerland can only afford to have open borders because the neighbouring countries are not too different from Switzerland, and are also generally law abiding and peaceful, and because overall illegal immigration is relatively insignificant.
The neighbouring countries are part of the issue, though, aren't they? All the bleating about Germany and France being "overrun" (is that the word they use, or "swarms" - I forget now) of illegal immigrants you would think they'd filter into Switzerland as it's as near as damn it but they don't because it's too full of red tape and has a functioning system, which makes it a hassle.

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Nevertheless, the authorities do sometimes clamp down on illegality. They regularly raid building sites and brothels for example to clamp down on anybody working there without the necessary paperwork (and on the bosses who knowingly employ such people). Society as a whole is supportive of such clampdowns as they feel the same rules need to apply for everybody. This has nothing to do with xenophobia but just with civic sense.
I said above that there is an element of illegal immigration here which is able to stay under the radar more or less but my point was that this is pretty small compared to other neighbouring countries.

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If there were suddenly a far higher number of illegals and these were having a serious effect on certain sectors of the economy, I'm sure people would be supportive of there being more thorough actions, including protection of borders.
Depends on your tolerances, though. Some people might indeed want Switzerland rid of none-Swiss and others might like the idea of mixing things up a bit.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

Official statement here from the Swedish Government (in English)

You know the expression "talk to the organ grinder not the monkey!"

Sorry to double post but the topic is in more than one thread
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Switzerland can only afford to have open borders because the neighbouring countries are not too different from Switzerland, and are also generally law abiding and peaceful, and because overall illigal immigration is relatively insignificant.

Nevertheless, the authorities do sometimes clamp down on illegality. They regularly raid building sites and brothels for example to clamp down on anybody working there without the necessary paperwork (and on the bosses who knowingly employ such people). Society as a whole is supportive of such clampdowns as they feel the same rules need to apply for everybody. This has nothing to do with xenophobia but just with civic sense.

If there were suddenly a far higher number of illegals and these were having a serious effect on certain sectors of the economy, I'm sure people would be supportive of there being more thorough actions, including protection of borders.
True, so far as I know the only Western country with a relatively high number of illegals is the US
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and in the meantime what do you propose we do about the young kids starving and dying of cold in refugee camps all over? Serious question, your suggestions please.
There are 8 billion people in the world, and half live in poverty.
Why is Europe successful and other parts of the world in an endless loop of war and poverty?
Are we responsible for saving the world?
Is the answer to bring the 4 billion poor people into Europe?
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I did ask for a clear answer- not another question.

What do we do NOW about the children refugees dying of cold of hunger NOW? Please, your practical suggestions.

Nt wanting to make this personal- but I have to ask- where are YOU from? Is Switzerland responsible for unemployment and poor conditions in other parts of the world - that brought many here, including on EF?
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Good or bad he's expensive. The last one's state funded travel costs averaged Ca. 1 million per month and this one manages 10 million in one month
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There are 8 billion people in the world, and half live in poverty.
Why is Europe successful and other parts of the world in an endless loop of war and poverty?
Are we responsible for saving the world?
Is the answer to bring the 4 billion poor people into Europe?
Most of those other parts of the world were ravaged by European colonialism.

War and poverty are good agents of instability. So we can eat cheap bananas and drink cheap coffee, etc.

'Swiss' chocolate.
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...Here is the "fascist" VP cleaning up a Jewish cemetery that was vandalized. Doesn't quite fit with the alt-left narrative, does it?

http://wgntv.com/2017/02/23/mike-pen...wish-cemetery/
I thought this was a disgusting piece of showmanship. He could have gone there, let the media take video and pics from afar showing his actions, and spoken quietly with the families of those whose graves were vandalized. Then he could have held a press conference later at the town hall or something.

To stand there on people's graves with a megaphone was just classless.
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