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Scum.

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"Social justice warrior" (commonly abbreviated SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual promoting socially progressive views
And what exactly is wrong with socially progressive views Tom?

SJW is just another derogatory term thought up by right wing FLICKNUGGETS. I thought that one up myself, tremendous.
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They played a major role in gifting us Trump
Us? Is he your President now?
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Old 01.03.2017, 13:36
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Trump is steamrolling all of the better American political decision making of the last 50 years. The guy is an absurd cockwomble. I am gobsmacked by the people who support this loon, they are obviously some the most cretinous and selfish morons to have ever graced planet earth.
"I will insult people who have different views from my own!"

Keep it up. That's why Trump's winning.
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Old 01.03.2017, 13:39
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"I will insult people who have different views from my own!"

Keep it up. That's why Trump's winning.
Because he doesn't insult people with views different to his own?
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And what exactly is wrong with socially progressive views Tom?
Nothing wrong with socially progressive views per se, the problems began when the people spouting them decided to go full libtard.

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SJW is just another derogatory term thought up by right wing FLICKNUGGETS. I thought that one up myself, tremendous.
That's quite possibly the most pathetic 'insult' i've ever heard. You can do better Tobias.

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Old 01.03.2017, 13:42
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Because he doesn't insult people with views different to his own?
Read what I highlighted in bold. Out loud and very slowly.
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Old 01.03.2017, 13:46
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Read what I highlighted in bold. Out loud and very slowly.
Your bolded text is irrelevant if you are going to make a facetious point. You have literally ignored all of Trump's outpourings if you really mean that insulting people who disagree with you has anything to do with Trump's rise to power.
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Old 01.03.2017, 14:19
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That's quite possibly the most pathetic 'insult' i've ever heard. You can do better Tobias.
Dingleberries, Cockwombles, whatever I am not allowed to use obscene language on the forum so I improvise.

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Nothing wrong with socially progressive views per se, the problems began when the people spouting them decided to go full libtard.
You mean you dont like political correctness, because if you are not somehow offended by something, then why should anybody else be?

Libtard is insulting, just not to liberals, the word retard is quite offensive, especially to people who have a close connection to those who have been born with greater challenges in life. Its not PC its about respect.
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Old 01.03.2017, 14:26
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Nothing wrong with socially progressive views per se, the problems began when the people spouting them decided to go full libtard.
You mean aggressively undemocratic?

I think there is a lot of theoretically good stuff, various ideas, that in real life turn into opressive maneuvres, exactly something that SJW say they protest against.
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Old 01.03.2017, 14:29
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Nothing wrong with socially progressive views per se, the problems began when the people spouting them decided to go full libtard.
Isn't that a bit subjective, though?

Everyone's protest is ridiculous until you find they are protesting something you agree with.

I find protesters bleating about abolishing abortion, for example, to be whining do-gooders who are trying to force their unwanted beliefs on people.

It's all about your own perspective and where it falls?
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Old 01.03.2017, 14:52
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Isn't that a bit subjective, though?

Everyone's protest is ridiculous until you find they are protesting something you agree with.

I find protesters bleating about abolishing abortion, for example, to be whining do-gooders who are trying to force their unwanted beliefs on people.

It's all about your own perspective and where it falls?
Of course people tend to agree with people who want the same as them.

But isn't there a second layer to this discussion. We will never all agree on what is good and beneficial and what isn't. Maybe if you discuss with people you might convince one or two, but never all. If you shout them down you won't convince anybody. This is the stalemate the situation has reached.

The second layer here in my view is the question, how much stuff should be enshrined in law and how much can people decide for themselves. How far can we go with a let and let live mindset and what does it take to make that work smoothly.

People who are on the first level of the discussion may confuse tolerance with selective tolerance and freedom with selective freedom. We thus need to turn questions around and ask ourselves, if I was on the other side of this, how would I feel? Are there ways to defuse the tensions without this meaning one side is having it their way and the other is shutting up?
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Whew, glad Hillary didn't get elected
It was last amended in 2014 and multiple times before that. Feel free to check for yourself what was introduced at what point.

Though I'd not be surprised if instead you chose to claim that the current version fully applied to that mails server story from years ago.
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Old 01.03.2017, 15:20
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Of course people tend to agree with people who want the same as them.

But isn't there a second layer to this discussion. We will never all agree on what is good and beneficial and what isn't.

The second layer here in my view is the question, how much stuff should be enshrined in law and how much can people decide for themselves. How far can we go with a let and let live mindset and what does it take to make that work smoothly.

People who are on the first level of the discussion may confuse tolerance with selective tolerance and freedom with selective freedom. We thus need to turn questions around and ask ourselves, if I was on the other side of this, how would I feel? Are there ways to defuse the tensions without this meaning one side is having it their way and the other is shutting up?
But you still can't truly believe that Trump is doing anything good to democracy, regardless of your political persuasion? And what is selective tolerance and selective freedom and how do they fit into democracy?
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Old 01.03.2017, 15:33
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Of course people tend to agree with people who want the same as them.

But isn't there a second layer to this discussion. We will never all agree on what is good and beneficial and what isn't. Maybe if you discuss with people you might convince one or two, but never all. If you shout them down you won't convince anybody. This is the stalemate the situation has reached.

The second layer here in my view is the question, how much stuff should be enshrined in law and how much can people decide for themselves. How far can we go with a let and let live mindset and what does it take to make that work smoothly.

People who are on the first level of the discussion may confuse tolerance with selective tolerance and freedom with selective freedom. We thus need to turn questions around and ask ourselves, if I was on the other side of this, how would I feel? Are there ways to defuse the tensions without this meaning one side is having it their way and the other is shutting up?
Most of that still sounds like individual perspective, though. I guess that goes through all layers of democracy.

The law can only provide a framework, though, the rest is left up to interpretation which has to find a balance to stop those with a "live and let live" outlook dropping off a cliff into anarchy as well as keeping the dictatorial types from micromanaging everyone to an early grave.
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Libtard is insulting, just not to liberals, the word retard is quite offensive, especially to people who have a close connection to those who have been born with greater challenges in life. Its not PC its about respect.
I agree that it's not fair at all for people who are born with cognitive disabilities to be lumped in with the liberals, of course it's offensive to them

But to be honest it's not something I actually use often in real life, more just to stir up snowflakes online (and I genuinely don't mean any offence to anybody who is mentally challenged, that's a red line for me too)
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But to be honest it's not something I actually use often in real life, more just to stir up snowflakes online (and I genuinely don't mean any offence to anybody who is mentally challenged, that's a red line for me too)
*Genuine question*

Did you really just admit to being a keyboard warrior troll type, confident to "stir up" online but not in real life?

That's a bit umm... sad, isn't it?
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*Genuine question*

Did you really just admit to being a keyboard warrior troll type, confident to "stir up" online but not in real life?

That's a bit umm... sad, isn't it?
Don't worry I stir it up even more in real life. What I said was I don't use the word 'libtard' often.

(Incidentally I seem to be a bit of a unintended troll in real life, i've managed to annoy a lot of people because I have such a 'cheesy grin' )
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Old 01.03.2017, 16:06
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Most of that still sounds like individual perspective, though. I guess that goes through all layers of democracy.

The law can only provide a framework, though, the rest is left up to interpretation which has to find a balance to stop those with a "live and let live" outlook dropping off a cliff into anarchy as well as keeping the dictatorial types from micromanaging everyone to an early grave.
Is think it boils down to, can we create a system that tolerates room for disagreement, without that disagreement holding all of society hostage, or is the solution being proposed one that only works if we all subscribe to it.
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Your bolded text is irrelevant if you are going to make a facetious point. You have literally ignored all of Trump's outpourings if you really mean that insulting people who disagree with you has anything to do with Trump's rise to power.
Trump had his moments, but was never on the same level as the "basket of deplorables". Then there was all the rest...

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Is think it boils down to, can we create a system that tolerates room for disagreement, without that disagreement holding all of society hostage, or is the solution being proposed one that only works if we all subscribe to it.
Maybe stick the Swiss system under Trump's nose. Seems to work here...
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