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The US has a huge number of "working poor" - people who work 2-3-4 jobs but remain living in relative poverty - IE not increasing their net wealth. There is nothing wrong with entrepreneurial but needing to work 16-18hrs a day just to make ends meet is not a sign of a developed country.

I have witnessed places in the US being overstaffed with under utilized staff. Busy times were 3-4 waitresses/bus-boys/servers just standing chatting - all of whom earning low wages and needing a second job.

If you want a high level of personal service - you're going to have to pay for it.

Wages are dumped because of the availability of below minimum wage illegal alien workers. And then work is exported out to lower cost countries. Exactly the issues Trump resonated.

I don't think it is in the least bit fair to call this bigotry and racism. These are merely people who would like to have their interests represented. These are the object of hate from losing liberals, who don't seem to recognise their own hate and bigotry.
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Old 14.11.2016, 09:52
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Lol. 'Put Juncker in his place'.

I believe Mr Juncker has no intention of being 'put in his place', going by what he said on Friday.

You will be looking forward for an awful long time.

About 24 hours of wait was not very long.

Juncker and EU slapped and put in their place already:
Britain and France snub EU’s emergency Trump meeting
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Drunk on what? Not me.

I just get sick of the narrow political perspectives of your average American, but that's because I come from a multi-party system. You guys are so stuck in left and right, that some really can't see what's happened here.

You had Bernie - independent - left of centre - populist

And Donald - aligned with the Republicans but not really one of them - centre? right? who knows! - populist

For every Republican who couldn't bring themselves to vote Trump, I bet there was a Democrat who felt the same way about Hillary.

This was a revolt via the ballot box. This was people from all backgrounds and classes sticking two fingers up at the 'man'. This was a vote to shake down the system. History has shown us time and time again what comes next after this kind of event. The fact that it comes straight on the heels of Brexit, and preceeds similar votes in other major countries, only emphasises the lessons of history in the matter.

If people are angry, they have every right to be, or isn't it a free country anymore? If people are wary or scared of what comes next, they have every right to be. It's the people who are complacent that I'm worried about.
yes everybody is sick of classic left right. to the point that it doesnt really exist as such anymore.

its "regressive left" vs "alt right" now. but it is indeed confusing because the previous connotations of left-good and right-nazi still are in people's minds. that is the only reason hillary got so many votes.

and as you say, trump is not really a republican. he is something else. he calls it a movement. i think its alt right mixed with old right to keep the blue collar babyboomers in.

im not sure what you mean with "history has shown us". you mean the flower power movement to cast off the old establishment that is currently the establishment?
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It's nice that you're using this space spew your own brand of hatred. Yes, do tell us how we're bigoted, have retarded thinking, prone to violence. You really are a very nasty bunch. Your main form of discussion is insult, so what's the point in engaging? Not even a touch of humor. But I guess you all need this, so please continue.

Congratulations. Trump won the Electoral College. Yay. The Democrats were wrong. It happens. It will happen again, too.

As for draining the swamp. That's not happening. The establishment is coming back in force.
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It's nice that you're using this space spew your own brand of hatred. Yes, do tell us how we're bigoted, have retarded thinking, prone to violence. You really are a very nasty bunch. Your main form of discussion is insult, so what's the point in engaging? Not even a touch of humor. But I guess you all need this, so please continue.

Congratulations. Trump won the Electoral College. Yay. The Democrats were wrong. It happens. It will happen again, too.

As for draining the swamp. That's not happening. The establishment is coming back in force.
welcome to the world many of us have been living in for the past 10 or even 20 years.

why do you think there was a silent vote?
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Old 14.11.2016, 11:06
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Don't be scared of that thing. He'll be spending the next year selling his arse all over Europe, despite his party stating that they do not support Le Penn.
They'll be supporting her sure enough when she wins.

Along with about half the parties in Europe.

Politicians have short memories and alliances are mostly based on need, not ideology.

The same way that in a year's time, all the anti Trump diatribe will have cooled off and they'll all be wooing his favours and wanting to be his best friend.

I just hope he'll remember who stood by him when it wasn't yet cool to do so.
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Some newspapers are claiming that May is facing push back from her Ministers due to her refusal to use Farage as a channel to Trump

Life is stranger than fiction
Are you seeing his role as Ribbentrop or Lord Haw-Haw here? Or is the PE being a bit of a snowflake? Worst case scenario is the PE appoints Farage as US ambassador to the UK. He's appointed his ex wife, so anything is possible.

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Still more effective than corbyn :P
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#winning
For a Brit, you're crap at irony.

The winner of a vote against the 'ruling elite' emerging from a gold and diamond encrusted lift. You couldn't write this stuff.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Darwin at work:
Man kills himself with his own gun while taking an anti-Trump selfie.
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Wages are dumped because of the availability of below minimum wage illegal alien workers. And then work is exported out to lower cost countries. Exactly the issues Trump resonated.

I don't think it is in the least bit fair to call this bigotry and racism. These are merely people who would like to have their interests represented. These are the object of hate from losing liberals, who don't seem to recognise their own hate and bigotry.
Riiiight...because its the workers who decide their own wages. Its not like its up to the company to offer a decent wage. We should let the companies get away with purposefully undercutting the living wage. Yeah, they're blameless.

Bigotry/racism? no. Stupidity? yes.

If people are concerned about wages dropping, blame the people who set the wages - the companies themselves. Whether or not immigrants are working, companies are the ones who set wages and who perpetually decrease them.

Blaming immigrants for wages dropping is just another problem that is blamed on them that they have no influence on.
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About 24 hours of wait was not very long.

Juncker and EU slapped and put in their place already:
Britain and France snub EU’s emergency Trump meeting
The French FM cant make it because he has another meeting. Boris cant make it because, well, he's Boris and no one cares what he thinks anyway.

So, 26/28 foreign ministers attended the meeting. If the extent of the slapping and being put in his place is the exclusion of buffoon Boris, I don't think Juncker is very concerned.
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Riiiight...because its the workers who decide their own wages. Its not like its up to the company to offer a decent wage. We should let the companies get away with purposefully undercutting the living wage. Yeah, they're blameless.

Bigotry/racism? no. Stupidity? yes.

If people are concerned about wages dropping, blame the people who set the wages - the companies themselves. Whether or not immigrants are working, companies are the ones who set wages and who perpetually decrease them.

Blaming immigrants for wages dropping is just another problem that is blamed on them that they have no influence on.
Precisely.
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If people are concerned about wages dropping, blame the people who set the wages - the companies themselves. Whether or not immigrants are working, companies are the ones who set wages and who perpetually decrease them.
What about supply and demand?

A company only reduces wages if it can get away with it. Having plenty of unemployed people queuing for a job makes it easy to fire people or decrease their wages. You can always find somebody prepared to do the same work for less.

With lower unemployment, people would be more difficult to replace. Hence companies would treat their employees better.

Immigraion is a tool for ensuring there is always suifficient unemployment that employers can give their people a raw deal. It is market distortion by the government. That's why big corporations like it.
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and as you say, trump is not really a republican. he is something else. he calls it a movement. i think its alt right mixed with old right to keep the blue collar babyboomers in.
Here's the irony, Trump IS the flower power generation. He was 23 when Woodstock happened. Let's just park that idea for a moment...

In his own words, he says this "is a movement". He cannot and will not define his ideology further than that. His ideas are fluid and subject to change, like have an unwritten constitution. That's going to keep all the mainstream politicians on the back foot.

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im not sure what you mean with "history has shown us". you mean the flower power movement to cast off the old establishment that is currently the establishment?
I've posted this in the Brexit thread yesterday, but the lines are so blurred now... This is not what I want to happen. It's what history has seen happen many times over.

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We should be asking ourselves what our Archduke Ferdinand moment will be. How will an apparently small event trigger another period of massive destruction. We see Brexit, Trump, Putin in isolation. The world does not work that way  —  all things are connected and affecting each other. I have pro-Brexit friends who say, “Oh, you’re going to blame that on Brexit too??” But they don’t realize that actually, yes, historians will trace neat lines from apparently unrelated events back to major political and social shifts like Brexit.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias..._11179774.html
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As for draining the swamp. That's not happening. The establishment is coming back in force.
The "establishment" hasn't even left yet. Trump's inauguration is on Jan. 20th.

There will be swamp draining in due course of time. More effective then targeting individual politicians are systemic laws for term limits and foreign lobbying. Laws leave legacy, while executive orders are merely temporal.

Priebus has the required experience to work Washington. If Priebus doesn't follow the then president's directions, he would have to resign well before the mid-term elections.

Be hopeful!
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About 24 hours of wait was not very long.

Juncker and EU slapped and put in their place already:
Britain and France snub EU’s emergency Trump meeting
As mentioned the French had another meeting and Boris does not feel comfortable setting future EU policy when we are leaving the EU-
Hardly a slap; not even a ripple
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Here's the irony, Trump IS the flower power generation. He was 23 when Woodstock happened. Let's just park that idea for a moment...

In his own words, he says this "is a movement". He cannot and will not define his ideology further than that. His ideas are fluid and subject to change, like have an unwritten constitution. That's going to keep all the mainstream politicians on the back foot.



I've posted this in the Brexit thread yesterday, but the lines are so blurred now... This is not what I want to happen. It's what history has seen happen many times over.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias..._11179774.html
that is ironic yes, but not impossible. also note that he is not part of the (political) establishment that i was talking about.

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"As the events that led to the First World War unfolded, there were a few brilliant minds who started to warn that something big was wrong, that the web of treaties across Europe could lead to a war, but they were dismissed as hysterical, mad, or fools, as is always the way, and as people who worry about Putin, Brexit and Trump islam, eu, hillary are dismissed now."
i made some edits to flip the entire thing around...

maybe not look at history as if it is a prophecy. if you want to see parallels you will. at some point it becomes superstition.
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That flower power generation became self-absorbed by the 70's, and merely sought their own personal stimulations - the same Me generation. Meanwhile, Trump renovated abandoned buildings and built skyscrapers to rebuild NYC. And then Giuliani cleaned up the streets and made NYC a stand-up city again.

That is why these guys have greater potential than the likes of Hillary.
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What about supply and demand?

A company only reduces wages if it can get away with it. Having plenty of unemployed people queuing for a job makes it easy to fire people or decrease their wages. You can always find somebody prepared to do the same work for less.

With lower unemployment, people would be more difficult to replace. Hence companies would treat their employees better.

Immigraion is a tool for ensuring there is always suifficient unemployment that employers can give their people a raw deal. It is market distortion by the government. That's why big corporations like it.
So, because companies can get away with it, it should be ok for them to do it?

Supply and demand only comes in to play if the variants are equal. Thus, most skilled jobs aren't very much affected by immigration.

Study after study has shown that immigration has a net positive effect on jobs, not a net negative rate.

The jobs primarily affected are unskilled jobs, where there is always an oversupply, regardless of immigration. based on what you just said, companies would be dropping wages regardless of the immigrants.

Without immigration, US unemployment is not at 0%. So even if there weren't immigrants, unskilled labour is oversupplied, and companies would still be dropping wages.
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