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Old 06.03.2017, 18:32
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We? Luis the IVX?

Just a note, though, it is an annoying modesty plural used in academia. There is no "we", dudes..I myself am sweating over tedious tasks. I think it is meant to add a bit of credibility, too. "We" as a team. It is a bit of a condition (of an academic or pretentious jargon).

As long as he doesn't refer to himself as "he".

Who doesn't have a condition, after 20.
Yes, precisely.

Agree completely

The reason I mention this is because I analyzed his speech for my linguistics paper - so I have some authority here The referent of 'we' in his speech in often 'I'.

I thought 11 is a more common threshold these days!

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I don't know about 'imagined mental conditions' but the child is as far away from being presidential as can be. This show has only just started and I'm out of popcorn already.
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New travel ban issued today;

some Key points
  • the old travel ban is revoked
  • Iraq is no longer on the list
  • this time it will be introduced after 10 days, not immediately
  • Existing US residents and visa holders are excluded.
  • It is written in a much more detailed style.
  • all refugees are banned for 120 days

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Sound good.

Can't stump the Trump!

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This show has only just started and I'm out of popcorn already.
Just wait until he builds The Wall!
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Yes, precisely.

Agree completely

The reason I mention this is because I analyzed his speech for my linguistics paper - so I have some authority here The referent of 'we' in his speech in often 'I'.

I thought 11 is a more common threshold these days!

"Mr. Trump establishes himself as capable of running a successful business and, therefore, running a country successfully, which, however, may require different skills, granted that a business is (usually) owned and America (presumably) is not" © Aleydis
I actually do see a parallel - it seems to me that Trump is of the opinion that US should be owned and controlled by people already legally residing in it, it is theirs. Not by far away conflicts or people who wish to come there. I also think he justifies it by saying the resources are limited, and, those wanting to come there do not always come with the intention to improve the society.

If skills are needed to win ellections, he has them and his opponent did not. As per presidential and governing skills - let's wait and see. So far, at least he is super active, compared to his predecessors. A businessman would be, so I am not surprised. I think he will actually address the issues mentioned in his campaigns. Would Hillary do that? I honestly do not think so. I can picture her in presidential, self celebratory haze..
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Old 06.03.2017, 19:16
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"Mr. Trump establishes himself as capable of running a successful business and, therefore, running a country successfully, which, however, may require different skills, granted that a business is (usually) owned and America (presumably) is not" © Aleydis
The problem is that only past presidents have any experience of actually being president.

The skills required to be a congressman or actor or peanut farmer or even state governor are also quite different to those required to be POTUS.

These people were not voted in because people had delusions about their qualifications and experience. They were voted in because people thought they were suited to the job and had the right sort of attitude about it.
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Although a demand to release his medical records is ridiculous, I do think he has a medical condition. But I am biased, having worked for a CEO who referred to himself as 'we' all the time.
It's the royal "We"...
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

All right, the quote out of context does not make the message clear. I was aiming at the 1% of which the POTUS is a member.

Re: Hillary. Google images for 'crazy Hillary smile' - all the feminists in the world would not save that one.
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New travel ban issued today;

some Key points
  • the old travel ban is revoked
  • Iraq is no longer on the list
  • this time it will be introduced after 10 days, not immediately
  • Existing US residents and visa holders are excluded.
  • It is written in a much more detailed style.
  • all refugees are banned for 120 days

Source

Edit; my initial reaction is that the order contains too many words so making it a beanfeast for lawyers to argue about the exact meaning of words and clauses.
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The Trump administration in a press conference on Monday to discuss issues related to the new travel ban on people from several Muslim-majority countries.
Secretary of Homeland Security John Kelly spoke along with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
It was not a discussion; reporters were not allowed to ask questions!
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Lol!
Mental condition


Pot, kettle black!

Karma

OMG, if it happens(ed) at this level....

Not Karma, the ad hominem..
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Oh deep joy!
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N Korea missile launch 'training' for attack on US base in Japan
North Korean news agency KCNA said the launches were an exercise designed to prepare the country for a strike.
Supreme Leader Kim Jong-Un had overseen the launch, the agency said, and had lauded what he had witnessed.
KCNA said the exercise was carried out by an artillery unit "tasked to strike the bases of the US imperialist aggressor forces in Japan in contingency".
http://news.sky.com/story/n-korea-mi...japan-10793148
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But but...don't you understand the outrage over his imagined mental condition? Just the frantic efforts to find something to impeach him for. Left have fun ways to discredit their oponents. And portray themselves as well meaning virtuous beings.
He is at the very least a narcissistic sociopath. That is a recognised mental condition and an awful characteristic for a POTUS.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Because media told you and you believe it. Probably before people came out with a list of diagnosis.

All attention seeking people are narcissistic sociopaths? Or only those who won presidential elections?

How about self centered, aggressive online kids? Does it win them elections? Maybe online attention is enough for them..
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Cool, Japan would get their own Pearl Harbor.

At least, they'd have something in common with the US then.


Also, we'd get WW3 (or 2.5beta, the early-access version, a.ka. "Pangy Putin) and could finally make use of the bunkers in the basements.
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Because media told you and you believe it. Probably before people came out with a list of diagnosis.
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He has a dirty big mouth and he knows how to push some buttons. He's also arrogant, but who isn't. I don't like this way of talking in public for a president, I thought it belonged to some other places.. As for his mental health I guess he's OK, weather some of us want to believe it or not.
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Because media told you and you believe it. Probably before people came out with a list of diagnosis.

All attention seeking people are narcissistic sociopaths? Or only those who won presidential elections?

How about self centered, aggressive online kids? Does it win them elections? Maybe online attention is enough for them..
It is nothing to do with what the media tells me, and more because I genuinely, wholeheartedly believe he is a narcissistic sociopath and that he has very clearly shown this on numerous occasions while in the public eye. He is imo pretty much the dictionary definition of the condition.

If you think Trump is merely "attention seeking" as though it can be compared to some harmless act from some random online kid then I am once more surprised at how separated you are from reality and common sense. I mean seriously, your logic is at a minimum baffling and frequently borders on utterly bizarre.
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Because media told you and you believe it. Probably before people came out with a list of diagnosis.

All attention seeking people are narcissistic sociopaths? Or only those who won presidential elections?
Not at all. I did A Level Psychology so I know the absolute basics, but I'm sure there are plenty of people here who are well qualified to make a rudimentary assessment. These are measurable and defined features of a person. Personally, I don't see Trump as a sociopath because I don't believe he has that level of intellect and he's clearly very attached to Ivanka. He's an undeniable narcissist and displays many traits of a psychopath.

Laymen assume that if you're a sociopath you have to be Hannibal Lecter and if you're a psychopath, you have to be a serial killer, but those examples are the extremes and in real life, it doesn't work like.
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Not at all. I did A Level Psychology so I know the absolute basics, but I'm sure there are plenty of people here who are well qualified to make a rudimentary assessment. These are measurable and defined features of a person. Personally, I don't see Trump as a sociopath because I don't believe he has that level of intellect and he's clearly very attached to Ivanka. He's an undeniable narcissist and displays many traits of a psychopath.

Laymen assume that if you're a sociopath you have to be Hannibal Lecter and if you're a psychopath, you have to be a serial killer, but those examples are the extremes and in real life, it doesn't work like.
You don't need high intelligence to be a sociopath, and Trump, for all his faults, is not an idiot. And while Trump may not be a pure sociopath in possessing every potential trait, he exhibits enough for me to class him as such. Aggressive, wildly unpredictable and irrational, erratic, deceitful, delusional, and displays no remorse.
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As for his mental health I guess he's OK, weather some of us want to believe it or not.
The psychological make-up of a person and their mental health, are two different things. Absolutely anyone can have problems with their mental health, regardless of what their psychological profile is.

Trump regularly displays one of the traits that has become a red flag for me, by refering to himself in the third person. I believe we all come across people who display that trait, and it's often indicitive of other personality issues.
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Aggressive, wildly unpredictable and irrational, erratic, deceitful, and displays no remorse.
Agreed, but he doesn't have that complete, emotional detatchment. But it says a lot that his closest relationship appears to be with his daughter, over and above any other family member. He's hinted in interviews that Ivanka is the only one who can get through to him.
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Agreed, but he doesn't have that complete, emotional detatchment. But it says a lot that his closest relationship appears to be with his daughter, over and above any other family member. He's hinted in interviews that Ivanka is the only one who can get through to him.
You don't need complete emotional detachment to be a sociopath... that's just a characteristic of some sociopaths.
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