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I'll take that a step further and say, your use of 'on-trend' labels makes me have to read everything you write more than once, and I still come away feeling that English is my 3rd language rather than my mother tongue.
I profusely apologize that my thoughts do not come out on this media platform in a more digesteable, native, form for you.

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I profusely apologize that my thoughts do not come out on this media platform in a more digesteable, native, form for you.
And so you should apologise. It's taken three cigs to read two of your posts, along with having one window open in Google to decipher some of the terminology you're using, which is distinctly based upon American media and not in common usage in UK English, so you might as well be writing in Swahili. Writing and debating is about making yourself understood and getting a point of view across. 'Pov' is abhorrent, lazy text speak.

I'm not attacking your posts, I'm just letting you know that most of it makes me wonder what the hell you're talking about.
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Old 09.03.2017, 13:11
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I'll take that a step further and say, your use of 'on-trend' labels makes me have to read everything you write more than once, and I still come away feeling that English is my 3rd language rather than my mother tongue.

How we respond to media is a massive nature vs nurture debate in itself. I was raised to believe there's good and bad media and we should never lump it altogether as one, which is what we're seeing today, and I despise that mindset.

Now not a lot of people know this (), but when I was at college, I was accepted for an interview for the most prestigious photo-journalism course in the UK. I was nervous enough about being interviewed by the course head tutor as he was an iconic figure himself, having made his name covering the 1956 Hungarian Revolution, but when he led me into the interview room, he introduced me to 'the panel' which was made up of a further 4 members of Magnum. For anyone who doesn't know, Magnum is the World's elite photographic cooperative, the absolute pinnacle of the craft, and co-founded by my No.1 hero, Robert Capa.

When people slam the media out of hand, it makes me bristle. With so much information and disinformation a mere click away, I measure the mass against my personal prefered sources, Reuters and Magnum, because they are the sources many media agencies refer to themselves. There are still elite media sources who present the cold facts which are thought provoking enough, without the need for some small town hack telling you how to interpret them and what to believe. And the next time you hear someone damning all the media, remember that they struggle to get car insurance, let alone life insurance, because the job is so damned dangerous for a number of them. How else would you know what's going on in war torn countries or during terror attacks.
"I was raised to believe there's good and bad media". I am not sure about this I see media more like tribes!
A newspaper has a tribal view which most members subscribe to but you always have individuals with contrary views. Take a recent example, the various Trump contrary views seen in Fox.
The more well known and respected journalists will push back against being simply used as propaganda tools.
Even the Express today published an "anti-May" article titled "‘It’s embarrassing!’ Lord condemns Theresa May's 'mad' trade talks with the Commonwealth"
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A surprising fact is the lower end mass circulation newspapers tend to have very good journalists because they have the necessary income to pay much better salaries than the "up market" newspapers.
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Old 09.03.2017, 13:19
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AI'm just letting you know that most of it makes me wonder what the hell you're talking about.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I understand what you're saying marton, but the clue is in the "I was raised" bit. As we both know, the media was a different animal then, not the 24/7 beast it's become now. My dad read The Telegraph and my mum read the Daily Mail. My brother once brough home the Daily Star when it was first published and my dad burned it. I still remember him shouting "Your mother and your little sister live in this house. That trash DOES NOT come over this threshold!" The Sun was always banned from our house.
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Old 09.03.2017, 14:04
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Sorry to post on topic but one for our journal of strange things!

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Trump “likes” things on Twitter much less often than he actually tweets — he’s only liked 46 tweets in his entire time on the social media platform, as opposed to him tweeting over 34,000 times

Trump “liked” a tweet today, a peculiar occurrence on its own, made even more peculiar by the subject matter of the tweet he “liked”: a Fox Nation tweet linking to a post about Democratic Senator Al Franken stating that he thinks Trump’s attorney general, Jeff Sessions, likely perjured himself during his confirmation hearing a few weeks ago.
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Trump does what people who voted him want him to do.

Trump is media on his own.

Anyone who wants better quality, have their informed choice to make. In a timely way, to spare oneself the tedious quest of developing victimhood theories (which is happening now, I think it is pretty evident). Victimhood has never pushed anyone to go get better for oneself, to be expert or get better quality info.

I find it pretty democratic. The whole "take your pick" system - with presidential elections, with media. Business as anything. I do not really understand the opression that Trump's inquisitors are coming up with. I think the only way to compete is to get good info, and quit harping on media deliberately blocking it. Some have, for ever. Find better sources.
I don't quite understand how Trump is media......but I do disagree with you that Trump does what people elected him to do. He follows his own agenda, framed to follow the MAGA protocol.
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Old 09.03.2017, 14:54
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Now, to be fair, that comment makes zero sense.

There's public in the foreground that look like a listening crowd and a speaking desk on the right so it's probably some kind of speech. Obviously everybody present will know it's him regardless of the sunglasses and cap.
The clue was in the link to a satirical newspaper that provided the picture and comment

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Is this supposed to be a criticism of MC's message? If so, it speaks volumes more about you and your POV.

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I'll take that a step further and say, your use of 'on-trend' labels makes me have to read everything you write more than once, and I still come away feeling that English is my 3rd language rather than my mother tongue.
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Is this supposed to be a criticism of MC's message? If so, it speaks volumes more about you and your POV.
No. At least as I see it (and I find the same btw) a comment on MCs word formulation which at least to Brits can be very hard to follow at times.
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Odd indeed. But then again, perhaps it was one of his staffers discontent with how he's handling his new job.

I mean, he can't be *that* confused. Or can he?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

A bit ironic to hear this on an expat forum used as a platform to communicate by native and non native speakers.

IIRC, MC is from Czech Republic. Though I do not know where she learned English, I do not have a particular issue with understanding her "word formulation."

But when I see descriptions such as "on trend labels" or "It's taken three cigs to read two of your posts, along with having one window open in Google to decipher some of the terminology you're using, which is distinctly based upon American media and not in common usage in UK English, so you might as well be writing in Swahili. Writing and debating is about making yourself understood and getting a point of view across. 'Pov' is abhorrent, lazy text speak" I get the impression that the problem is more with the message than the words conveying it.


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No. At least as I see it (and I find the same btw) a comment on MCs word formulation which at least to Brits can be very hard to follow at times.
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No. At least as I see it (and I find the same btw) a comment on MCs word formulation which at least to Brits can be very hard to follow at times.
Not just Brits.
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No. At least as I see it (and I find the same btw) a comment on MCs word formulation which at least to Brits can be very hard to follow at times.
Precisely, thank you.
It's the reason many websites have drop downs for US English and UK English. "Two nations divided by a common language" and all that.
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A bit ironic to hear this on an expat forum used as a platform to communicate by native and non native speakers.
englishforum.ch ws created to connect English-speakers living in (or at least connected to) Switzerland. Users are expected to be able to communicate coherently in English.

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I get the impression that the problem is more with the message than the words conveying it.
How so? Both of the posts that you quoted were commenting on word choice and sentence structure. Nothing to do with content.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump's First Full Month in Office Sees Biggest Jobs Gain 'In Years': Report
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Odd indeed. But then again, perhaps it was one of his staffers discontent with how he's handling his new job.

I mean, he can't be *that* confused. Or can he?
Sigh.

Do you know what The Onion is? And the rogue White House accounts on Twitter?
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...I get the impression that the problem is more with the message than the words conveying it.
That may be the case if I could actually decipher what the message is. As it is, I don't have an Enigma machine to hand. When did it become wrong to stick your hand up and say that you don't understand what is being said?
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I don't think I need your help to understand why the EF was created. I was around long enough before you to even have some input...

In any case, MC doesn't need me to defend her. IME, when people are interested in the points of a discussion, and don't understand the POV or the aforementioned points that one side is attempting to convey... then they ask for further explanation. Instead, I have seen some snarky remarks about "word formulation" and "that you might as well be writing in Swahili". Sorry, but I find this ironic (and a bit sad) to see on EF.

Go ahead and Google, "rhetoric vs. dialectic" and then you can say the same about me...

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How so? Both of the posts that you quoted were commenting on word choice and sentence structure. Nothing to do with content.
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Go ahead and Google, "rhetoric vs. dialectic" and then you can say the same about me...
Why? Do you want a thread all about you?
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