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Probably.
I think anytime info gets out, it has to be arranged so people see it as a "leak". So anyone actually pays attention. Everybody seems too busy being outraged.

I can see that outrage might contribute to feeling of improvement. Making an impact.
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I think anytime info gets out, it has to be arranged so people see it as a "leak". So anyone actually pays attention. Everybody seems too busy being outraged.
Outrage? Where?

Most of the news reports I've seen today, including the mainstream ones don't show any outrage. Most of it seems to be of the flavour "yeah, right... "

There does seem to be a bit of faux outrage from the WH, which seems to be dismayed at the leak of their well-placed document, though.

I blame those spying microwaves.
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I think anytime info gets out, it has to be arranged so people see it as a "leak". So anyone actually pays attention. Everybody seems too busy being outraged.

I can see that outrage might contribute to feeling of improvement. Making an impact.
Indeed, people want to be outraged that Trump paid 25% tax whilst Obama paid 18%.

Anyone demanding Trump reveals his tax returns should also be willing to show theirs.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I'm not outraged, but rather interested.

We make orders of magnitude less than Trump's 150mio, and pay a significantly higher percentage. And we don't even live in the US.

I suppose that means, as Trump quipped in one debate, that we simply are not as smart as he is.

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Indeed, people want to be outraged that Trump paid 25% tax whilst Obama paid 18%.

Anyone demanding Trump reveals his tax returns should also be willing to show theirs.
I think they will just "yeah..right" it.

So busy seeking their particular "truth". It is funny. Token presidents are not expected to pay more taxes than evil imperialist presidents, mind you. How fool of you.
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Indeed, people want to be outraged that Trump paid 25% tax whilst Obama paid 18%.

Anyone demanding Trump reveals his tax returns should also be willing to show theirs.
People you don't agree with repeatedly being told they should be outraged doesn't actually make them outraged. It just, well, dilutes your own credibility really.

Have you ever actually witnessed REAL outrage? You know the type of outrage that gun nuts get when there's a sniff their ownership might be controlled? THAT kind of outrage?

Tax returns are not really that sexy. Soz.
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Indeed, people want to be outraged that Trump paid 25% tax whilst Obama paid 18%.

Anyone demanding Trump reveals his tax returns should also be willing to show theirs.
If they are running for President, I quite agree, otherwise, why?

I presume Obama also earned less, so why wouldn't he pay a lower tax %age?
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So basically, the US is overspending in defense, and, I would argue, picking up the defense expenditure tab of other countries. But of course, the US budget deficit is due to healthcare spending, specifically the Affordable Care Act
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At least one good thing about DT - he wants to address this issue apparently. All those countries that are NATO members and are paying < 1% from their GDPs will have to increase their defence expenditures, and rightly so..one cannot eat their cake and have it too. I think they will raise the bar at ≈ 2%.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Meanwhile up on Capitol Hill they are battling over replacing Obamacare; currently looking like lose/lose for Trump.

On the campaign trail he promised a new health care that will be cheaper and cover everybody.
But if the current Bill is passed it is clear that millions will no longer be covered so not everybody covered; how many millions is disputed but certainly many.
What makes it worse is probably a lot of Trump voters from key States will lose coverage.
If the Bill is not passed then it will be a terrible blow for a new President to lose his first Bill sent to the House

And he would not even be able to blame the "deep state"!
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All those countries that are NATO members and are paying < 1% from their GDPs will have to increase their defence expenditures
Why??? The fact that the US is overspending on its defence infrastructure is the worst possible argument why should other countries increase their defence spending. The US is prone to 1) fighting wars it doesnt need to fight (list is too long, read the news) and 2) DT is notorious prone to overspending on projects with limited / partial use. Both 1 and 2 lead to the trillions of $ the Pentagon is wasting and the solution to this is do decrease there, not increase elsewhere.
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Indeed, people want to be outraged that Trump paid 25% tax whilst Obama paid 18%.

Anyone demanding Trump reveals his tax returns should also be willing to show theirs.
What is the point you are making?
Certainly Obama released his tax returns; the last year was 2015 and every year for the previous fourteen here.

The idea behind Presidents releasing tax returns is for ethics checking so one can see if they received funding from dubious sources.

Why should people not standing for Public Office reveal their tax returns, makes no sense?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Whilst some in the media have been speculating that the leak was deliberate, Trump has taken to twitter again. In his usual measured style, he's posted regarding the tax return and then 7 minutes later, he tweeted about Snoop Dogg. I'd like to believe he's multi-faceted rather than that he has a short attention span. Ho humm...
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Does anybody really believe that a reporter, who nobody ever heard of, "went to his mailbox" and found my tax returns? @NBCNews FAKE NEWS!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...66077005463553
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Can you imagine what the outcry would be if @SnoopDogg, failing career and all, had aimed and fired the gun at President Obama? Jail time!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...67881516679168
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Reading a bit more about Mr Trump's tax return, it looks like of the total ca. 38 mio tax liability some 31mio was due to the alternative minimum tax. (Numbers approximate, from memory, but close enough for gubmint work…)

Now - I’m all for everyone, at all income levels, using all legal options available to them to lighten the tax burden. Those legal options are how much of our social policy steering is done.

I for one would prefer not to be saddled with the pain of the AMT. Especially as a taxpayer resident overseas, as payments to the host country (i.e., a potential hefty deduction from US tax) can land you in AMT territory at an income level a whooooooole lot lower than popular perception might think. A ’normal’ taxpayer, far removed from the 1%, can get caught in the AMT net.

If you had asked me last week if I would support a repeal of the AMT I’d have said 'heck yeah!'.

But I must admit that this leak has made me question that. The whole point of the AMT is exactly what we see in Trump’s tax filing - should a minimum contribution be expected from all, or at least most, if our government society is to function?


During the campaign Trump had said he would work to repeal the AMT.

What say all y’all, both from a resident and from an overseas taxpayer perspective? Should we retain or repeal the AMT? If retain, should it’s current implementation be tweaked?


Maybe this question belongs elsewhere. But Trump...
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Whilst some in the media have been speculating that the leak was deliberate, Trump has taken to twitter again. In his usual measured style, he's posted regarding the tax return and then 7 minutes later, he tweeted about Snoop Dogg. I'd like to believe he's multi-faceted rather than that he has a short attention span. Ho humm...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...66077005463553
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...67881516679168
Pro gun president complains of gun use... Deliciously ironic
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Looking more and more likely that the tax filing was leaked by Trump (with the year carefully chosen ). It seems the copy that was leaked was marked "client copy" so was not the copy sent to the IRS.

More details here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...=facebook-post
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Regarding the above gun tweet from Donald, I personally think SnoopDogg went too far with his video. It's never right to point a gun at anyone if not in self-defense. I don't care if it's loaded or not.
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Regarding the above gun tweet from Donald, I personally think SnoopDogg went too far with his video. It's never right to point a gun at anyone if not in self-defense. I don't care if it's loaded or not.
That's all Westerns and every war movie ever made struck off your list to watch, then.

It was a pop gun, with a comical "BANG" banner unfurling from the muzzle. And it was aimed at a cartoonish caricature.

Just to bring this back to reality...
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Regarding the above gun tweet from Donald, I personally think SnoopDogg went too far with his video. It's never right to point a gun at anyone if not in self-defense. I don't care if it's loaded or not.
I personally expected a bit more dignity and virtue coming from gangster rapper Snoop Dogg.
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I personally expected a bit more dignity and virtue coming from gangster rapper Snoop Dogg.
Very good

To be fair, he probably still shows more respect to his fly bitches than The Donald.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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It was a pop gun, with a comical "BANG" banner unfurling from the muzzle. And it was aimed at a cartoonish caricature.

Just to bring this back to reality...
Plus they know each other personally as Snoop had a minor involvement with The Apprentice.

But back to the serious stuff...
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The U.S. government on Wednesday unsealed charges against two Russian spies and two criminal hackers for allegedly pilfering 500 million Yahoo user accounts in 2014,
The indictments, announced at a news conference in Washington, represent the first time the U.S. government has criminally charged Russian officials for cyber offenses.
The content of at least 30 million accounts were accessed as part of a spam campaign and that at least 18 people who used other internet service providers, such as Google, were also victimized, the government charged.
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