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Fake president + fake gun = fake news.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

House intel chairman: No evidence of wiretapping claim

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So end of story! But not end of Donald!
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It was a pop gun, with a comical "BANG" banner unfurling from the muzzle. And it was aimed at a cartoonish caricature.

Just to bring this back to reality...
The incident reminded me of one of Dave Chapelle's best skits about celebrity worship
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And travel ban blocked again.

A Federal judge in Hawaii has blocked President Donald Trump's new travel ban, hours before it was due to begin at midnight on Thursday.

US District Judge Derrick Watson cited "questionable evidence" in the government's argument that the ban was a matter of national security.

President Trump described the ruling as "unprecedented judicial overreach".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39287656

Poor Mr. President, it's not like running your own companies now is it. Not everyone jumps when you say "jump!".
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Why should people not standing for Public Office reveal their tax returns, makes no sense?
People who receive benefits should make public what they recieve. It's public money after all...
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And travel ban blocked again.

A Federal judge in Hawaii has blocked President Donald Trump's new travel ban, hours before it was due to begin at midnight on Thursday.

US District Judge Derrick Watson cited "questionable evidence" in the government's argument that the ban was a matter of national security.

President Trump described the ruling as "unprecedented judicial overreach".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39287656

Poor Mr. President, it's not like running your own companies now is it. Not everyone jumps when you say "jump!".
I’d love to be a fly on the wall in the White House today (or should that be a microwave on the shelf? )
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People who receive benefits should make public what they recieve. It's public money after all...

You mean benefits like tax breaks? It's all welfare.
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People who receive benefits should make public what they recieve. It's public money after all...
You mean Pensions, Child Benefit, Maternity Grants and Tax credits?

How would they make these public, in a million page newspaper?

What an extraordinary impractical idea!
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump is not obliged to publish his tax returns because it's non of anyone else's business. The only reason he would do this is to win votes. In case you forgot, he won an election without publishing what tax he pays.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Looks like it isnt just Hawaii that have had enough of his crap:

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Maryland have joined this party too.

Im curious, i wonder how much time, money, and energy has been spent in fighting the judiciary on this? A good use of resources, by the worlds best businessman, im sure
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Looks like it isnt just Hawaii that have had enough of his crap:

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Maryland have joined this party too.

Im curious, i wonder how much time, money, and energy has been spent in fighting the judiciary on this? A good use of resources, by the worlds best businessman, im sure
Back in January he claimed that he wanted a 90 day ban to assess the situation. That was 2 months ago so he should now be two thirds the way through his assessment..... or does the clock only start once Muslim Ban 2.0 is in effect?
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Trump is not obliged to publish his tax returns because it's non of anyone else's business. The only reason he would do this is to win votes. In case you forgot, he won an election without publishing what tax he pays.
One detail I don't understand about publishing the tax returns is; supposing there are some instances of dodgy tax avoidance, bordering on and even including evasion, aren't the tax authorities (IRS) tasked with dealing with this anyway, regardless of whether a person publishes them or not?

Does publishing them somehow open them up to expert scrutiny where some random tax expert somewhere points out details and alerts the IRS that they've not done their job properly?

I think its clear from his pushing back that there is likely some dodgy stuff which will highlight his questionable business practices and creative accounting but, surely if it's good old tax evasion the IRS would have nailed it?

Or am I missing the point of publishing tax returns?
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This'll get the Americans' knickers in a twist. Islam to overtake Christianity by 2070.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-39279631
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

What a great question. I am Australian, married to an American, so a bit of a stake here. I don't think Trump will be a good president but he may inadvertently do good in the long run. 1) I think he will test the strength of the democratic institutions and the American constitution and if America can weather the storm it can be proud of its democracy. 2) I think Trump might finally put to bed the notion that (and I am sick of hearing this!) "he'll be good because he's a business man". government is not a business. It should not be run with the profit motive. Trump may in fact restore some credibility to how challenging politics actually is. 3) I hope that Trump will sound the warning bell on how caught up western societies, in general are, with goals of fame and celebrity. 4) He has also tuned electors onto the pain and suffering of America's economic inequality. this will be hard to ignore now, politically, I think, unless the situation improves.

I don't think lampooning Trump (however entertaining and yes, I do laugh at it) is enough. What factors in American society led him to be elected?

I hope that Trump will be a lesson learned by other countries whose citizens favour extreme rhetoric (don't worry, Australia's got our own DJT - what an embarrassment. She was also created by our press because of her ignorant and outlandish remarks: makes for great entertainment, but not great politics)

Why do I think he will be a bad president? Because he blatantly lies, he is ignorant, seems to care mostly about his ratings and popularity and is amoral. (I don't think he is immoral - I think he is reactionary and will say and do things to soothe his ego). under different guidance he could do a lot of good ie if you were the president to first bring affordable health care to every American you would be loved and admired. (I'm surprised Ivanka hasn't persuaded him to believe in human-induced climate change)

I think President Trump is a puppet (not of Russia, but of his advisors) and he can only be as good or do good, as his advisors are good and do good. Re: Russia - I think it's too coincidental to be untrue about Russian ties re: his appointments, his attempts to change the narrative of Russia and Putin seems transparent to me. I'm guessing Trump has made a deal with Russian oligarchy to benefit himself (mmm, maybe he is immoral?)

I think Trump is GW Bush redux, but will be worse.

Here's hoping for a sober discussion when he is out of office.
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Or am I missing the point of publishing tax returns?
Past presidents have made their tax returns public as a way of showing that they are beyond reproach in handling their financial affairs legally. In the past we wanted to know that the person sitting in the highest office of the land at least (knew enough to) follow the law.

This is usually done during the campaign, to reassure voters that the candidate is not a dodgy wheeler-dealer. Oh, wait...

Trump gambled that his base did not care, or actually admired him for his claim of not paying tax. In one of the debates he said 'Not paying taxes makes me smart'. He was counting on this resonating not with the 1% but rather with 'left behind' America longing for that mythical MAGAland, who tend to feel that they are paying high taxes and getting bupkis. He counted that his base would admire that he could beat the system. Afterall, he won largely because 'if The Donald can, maybe I can too'.

Post election there was heightened interest in seeing his returns from not only folks beyond his base but also from those in the base with buyer's remorse. The public wanted reassurance that their president was not doing anything illegal in the past, in the hope that he'll keep on the straight and narrow while in office.

But refusing to release the returns gave the impression that there might be fire beneath all that smoke.

Except that we have seen that in our brave new world of alternative facts nothing really matters anymore.

Sad!

(I'd put a winking smilie after that last line, but after two months of this I think I'm beyond even gallows humor.)

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And travel ban blocked again.

A Federal judge in Hawaii has blocked President Donald Trump's new travel ban, hours before it was due to begin at midnight on Thursday.

US District Judge Derrick Watson cited "questionable evidence" in the government's argument that the ban was a matter of national security.

President Trump described the ruling as "unprecedented judicial overreach".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39287656

Poor Mr. President, it's not like running your own companies now is it. Not everyone jumps when you say "jump!".
This is getting quite dangerous now because of the Judges' comments. It seems that the wording of the "travel ban" or whatever is OK, but the judge has based his arguments on things that Trump and others said on the campaign trail.

Whilst I am no fan of Trump, I don't think you can really base the arguments on "old news". How far do you want to go back? In this case I think the judge is probably correct, but it is a bad precedent to set.
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Good point. I've heard that Trump himself may have leaked his 2005 tax return pages.

It could be that it's a distraction - another attempt at a news grab?

I think that if DJT was worth billions as he claims, he would happily release his tax returns. I think what's likely is that he is not a billionaire and it would be publicly humiliating for him to face this fact.

I agree. I can't see how he is such a great negotiator - he seems to me to start off with ultimatums?

I am NOT a Trump supporter. My husband (American) and I have "be nice to Trump day" on Wednesdays because some people do like him (so they must see some good in him ). It's pretty hard to find good news stories on him without having to go to extreme right-wing sites.

I listened to an interview of the AG (I think) in Hawaii who said that considering context was not setting a precedent. This had been done before.

I guess we will see what happens in the Supreme Court.

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I listened to an interview of the AG (I think) in Hawaii who said that considering context was not setting a precedent. This had been done before.

I guess we will see what happens in the Supreme Court.
I guess Miller had his bottom smacked and sent early to bed!

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The plaintiffs pointed to comments made by Trump’s own adviser Stephen Miller to argue that both versions of the travel ban are “fundamentally” similar and would have the same impact.

“Fundamentally, you’re still going to have the same basic policy outcome for the country, but you’re going to be responsive to a lot of very technical issues that were brought up by the court and those will be addressed,” Miller told Fox News last month. “But in terms of protecting the country, those basic policies are still going to be in effect.”
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Here's a thought, maybe one of the American consitutional experts can help.

Supposing Trump has indeed been a naughty boy on his taxes and likely knows that he's going to be in hot water for it, surely running for Pres (and not disclosing them) is the smart thing to do?

Can a president be jailed/impeached/whatever the correct term is, for activities before he was president, if the case wasn't closed by the time he took office?

He now says he is totally separated from his business interests, so does this get him off the hook for the next 4/8 years?
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One detail I don't understand about publishing the tax returns is; supposing there are some instances of dodgy tax avoidance, bordering on and even including evasion, aren't the tax authorities (IRS) tasked with dealing with this anyway, regardless of whether a person publishes them or not?
Less than 1% of all tax reports are audited each year. This number has been and keeps falling due to IRS funding cuts even though every USD spent on auditing returns 4 USD. With that said, apparently the POTUS' and his VP's are audited each year by law. However the details remain private so no public outrage possible.

But that's not the same. Scrutiny by the public may reveal shady or morally wrong but perfectly legal practices. An arbitrary and unrelated example might be someone standing for peace being involved in dealing with arms.
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