Which would be great if he were doing a great job. He's not.

Well that's subjective.

I imagine someone who is a wanky leftist might think he's terrible.
On the other hand patriotic folks who want to put their country and people first and foremost might think he's doing a good job.

Whether DT was/wasn't suitable was up to the US election to decide. I understand that it might take a while for some to adjust to the results.

There are lot of people with fine manners. Somehow they did not run. Nor won.

As summarized by a friend:

"Immediately after the election Trump transition spokesman Jason Miller explained that Melania would be staying in New York because there was "obviously a sensitivity to pulling out a 10-year-old in the middle of the school year".

We have since learned that the cost of security for Melania and Barron to remain at Trump Tower is $183 million/year. There is also no indication that they will actually move to DC this summer. So in essence the Federal government is giving the Trump family a $183 million annual voucher so Barron can attend the elite private prep school of his choice.

Meanwhile, we learned that Trump's budget would completely eliminate funding for the National Endowment for the Arts. The NEA, with an annual budget of only $148 million, is able to provide seed money for arts programming in literally every Congressional district in the country.
So, on the one hand you have a $183 million school voucher for a single 10-year-old at an elite private school. On the other hand you have a program that impacts arts and cultural programming throughout the entire nation."

This is our taxpayer money, folks. Pardon the bluntness, but I don't give a darn if Voldemort is smiling at Angela Merkel or not.

Wanky leftist - care to make a list. Thanks.

It only hurts because it's true

Theoretically - your opinions will cross over better with manners!

How do you KK, not being n American, presume to know what a "patrotic" american thinks like?

I can tell you are not into politics because you show no understanding for its importance :/

But let's put politics aside, let's evaluate DJT on a different plane: on his business skills which I would argue also require attention to detail, tact, diplomacy, partnering, bringing people to your vision, articulating your vision, managing people, trust for repeat business, rational decision making...etc

Can you honestly evaluate him well on these?

I am not US citizen but to say that the US presidency doesn't matter politically is being short-sighted and naive. US relations are inter-twined economically, militarily and culturally with many countries including my own. For instance, interest rates rose in the US and immediately they rose in my country. Economists warn that if US economy takes a dive it will affect other countries' economies.

It is also so painful to watch someone achieve power (anywhere in the world) who has consistently expressed such poor and ignorant remarks about a whole host of things and who, in effective shows that lying and self-promotion and self-interest are ways to succeed in life (if you have the benefit of a good inheritance). (I do think DJT is a reflection of society - he's a troll writ President). He has shown little regard for women as equals but rather judges women on their attractiveness. The man is a dinosaur.

If he expressed opinions different to mine, in any way that was articulate I would agree with you, but surely the man can be rated poorly for both message AND the messaging.

If we assume that Trump "objectors" are confusing good manners for "goodness", then are you MC, not confusing bad manners for effectiveness?

There's a school of thought that he's ploughing through his election promises regardless of any opposition, then there's another that highlight what's actually happening in the states that supported him, such as this...
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN16N2VF
PBS - funding cut completely.
https://origin-nyi.thehill.com/blogs...resident-trump
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN16N0CS


In fact, why not make yourself familiar with the proposed budget spending changes then you can come back with solid reasons why PBS doesn't matter to pre-school children, why nutritional subsidies and after school plans don't matter to kids from low income families or low paid working parents, why meals on wheels doesn't matter to the elderly who often thrive on the social contact it provides as well as the proper meal it provides. Then you can explain to us all how eliminating Economic Development Administration will benefit struggling communities, or how teacher training grants being cut will benefit kid's education. Perhaps you'd also like to explain how American's will benefit from all the cuts in science fields, training of health care professionals, or would you prefer to explain how this little gem will be beneficial? The list is endless and makes dire reading, but I do sincerely hope you read it and think how you and your family would be affected if you lived in America.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ad109#defunded

Seriously? You make it sound like there's some forethought to him acting like a nipple at every available opportunity.

The fact they have to wheel Spicer out every time Trump vomits up a tweet, first to defend then dilute then apologise and bumble about with some "Uhhh, he didn't mean abc, he meant xyz" suggests Trump isn't putting ANY thought or indeed research into his moves.

He's scanning headlines then shooting from the hip...

But he is aso a serial, blatant liar so it would be very difficult to business with him.
Either you would spend all your time, energy and money on hiring smart lawyers to write water tight agreements or like Vlad you would want to have some hold over him

Because when you swim in a sewer you meet a lot of rats and come out smelling of shite.

Do you have examples of the good job?

Contrariwise
He said he would fix the infrastructure but his budget proposal actually reduces spending on that.
Health cover for everyone is not going to happen, in fact millions will no longer have cover.
Muslim ban is struggling through the courts.

I presume a patriotic American would proudly support their country and want to see it's interests being put at the forefront.

You know, like any patriot from any country in the world. In this case an American.

Still waiting for your educated appraisal of this and how "I presume a patriotic American would proudly support their country and want to see it's interests being put at the forefront."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...415e6#defunded

That's an interesting thought, but I am not confusing bad manners for effectiveness, no. I was actually merely entertaining kriss kross with the idea of people accepting DT should he have behaved better to Merkel. "Entertaining" is a good term - since I do not think DT would score any brownie points with his opposition, even if he was sweeter to her. She represents a country that has to chip in more with NATO instead of playing the world's migrants savior. I think, personally, he shouldn't forget his manners, of course not. But whatever. Not worth the outrage and name calling here...Dick, jerks are flying through the thread, lol. Manners! Outrage!

Him pushing on Germans stepping up the plate, knocking down US financial burden in this, should please those against the US finances drowning in defence sector.

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I couldn't have put it better- indeed and hence.

MC: 'I was actually merely entertaining kriss kross with the idea of people accepting DT should he have behaved better to Merkel.'

where has anyone said that? His appalling behaviour just compounded the rest and exposed him to all for the spoilt toddler brat that he is, in a very visual and public way- that's all.

You realise the startling frequency you bring up "outrage" on this thread when there isn't any kind of suggests you are the one feeling outraged..?

The lady doth protest too much...