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Trump is probably not evil. He's shallow, ill prepared, self absorbed. He relies on people who seem to care little about the American people - Bannon, Miller, Price and Sessions, probably Ryan. Listening to Price talk about health care did give me a touch of outrage. I said Trump was a jerk and I stand by it. A jerk is not necessarily evil.


And you know what - what is wrong with outrage when it's channeled into productive activism.

Do I have to tiptoe around now and be nice about Trump? Only if he becomes a member of EF, i think. Then maybe. Or I would just ignore him. But it's difficult to ignore the US right now because I know many people who are seriously worried about their futures - people in education, elderly people, people in health care, in research and chronically ill folks.
I think the term "productive activism" is a subject to personal interpretation..productive, as antagonizing? Or polarizing? Unconstructively violent? Productive pussyhats? I don't want to reduce anything, but Berkely at Milo's show - unproductively violent. Loads of anti Trump activism seem to be a rather unproductive muscle talk. Affirmation seeking. Validation. I don't see people open to a debate. They lock opposition in offensive labelling..trying to discredit any idea that goes against their group think. That camp seems to like just mere talking and being "productive activists", maybe they think it will change stuff. Nothing is being changed by their talk. Gatherings and proclamation of group think cohesion is not changing anything. Trump might not be the best choice, but he is working. Trying to change stuff. Moving on. If anybody thinks Trump is the one who should be blamed for restricting finances to some domains, maybe he is not the right one to be blamed. He has inheritted a giant mess and I think he is dealing with it as much as he can. It is quite admirable.
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"I can imagine him making funny expressive faces." No, au contraire!
He would be seeking revenge.

Do you want a list of people who were fired or excluded from new jobs since his inauguration because he deemed they criticised him during his campaign?
Every president there fires and hires people. You may see it as vengeance, but I think it is more simple - in that corrupted place, you gotta make sure you can trust the people who are there to work for you. Hillary fired people, even without being president. And she had people...put out of sight. Meh.
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No African citizens granted visas for African trade summit in California.

Every single African citizen who requested a visa was rejected, according to the organizer of the African Global Economic and Development Summit.

An annual African trade summit in California had no African attendees this year after at least 60 people were denied visas, according to event leaders.
Every single African citizen who requested a visa was rejected, according to organizer Mary Flowers.
Some are now questioning whether the denials to the Los Angeles event could be tied to the anti-immigration policies of Donald Trump.
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Old 20.03.2017, 23:37
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I think the term "productive activism" is a subject to personal interpretation..productive, as antagonizing? Or polarizing? Unconstructively violent? Productive pussyhats? I don't want to reduce anything, but Berkely at Milo's show - unproductively violent. Loads of anti Trump activism seem to be a rather unproductive muscle talk. Affirmation seeking. Validation. I don't see people open to a debate. They lock opposition in offensive labelling..trying to discredit any idea that goes against their group think. That camp seems to like just mere talking and being "productive activists", maybe they think it will change stuff. Nothing is being changed by their talk. Gatherings and proclamation of group think cohesion is not changing anything. Trump might not be the best choice, but he is working. Trying to change stuff. Moving on. If anybody thinks Trump is the one who should be blamed for restricting finances to some domains, maybe he is not the right one to be blamed. He has inheritted a giant mess and I think he is dealing with it as much as he can. It is quite admirable.
"He has inherited a giant mess" No he did not; he fought to obtain it!
He knew exactly what he would win?
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Old 20.03.2017, 23:45
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Every president there fires and hires people. You may see it as vengeance, but I think it is more simple - in that corrupted place, you gotta make sure you can trust the people who are there to work for you. Hillary fired people, even without being president. And she had people...put out of sight. Meh.
Stop talking about Hillary, she lost.

Focus on Trump
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I'm honestly not sure why it's a big deal if it's confirmed that Trump's wiretapping claims are false. He basically lies (and is caught lying) on a daily basis and it hasn't deterred his core constituency of the angry and uneducated.
That is excatly the issue - the fact that to many it is no big deal.

One aspect is the hypocrisy it demonstrates - you may remember crooked Hillary.

The other and much more important thing is the general demand for government to not lie. If you can't trust your own government the concept of democracy falls apart: Citizens can't form a well-informed opinion if they can't trust the information they're given.
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At the moment USA politics is even funnier than African politics.And I thought that was bad.
Watched the Russia Intel hearings with my OH tonight and asked him... "Does this remind you of being back in Africa?" He said..."No! Even Zuma's got more brains than this guy!"

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Anybody planning to visit the US as a tourist in the current climate is nuts
This is really going to hurt thousands of business travellers, particularly oil industry employees. It's beginning to remind me of when tourists were evacuated from Egypt and their lugagge was flown home on separate flights. Must say, when I last passed through Manchester Airport in late November, security were sending cameras for separate screening. Just reading the Reuters version of marton's post.
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Is there a precedent for this?

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President Donald Trump's daughter, Ivanka Trump, is getting an office in the White House West Wing, stepping up her highly visible role in helping advise her father.
A White House official on Monday confirmed reports that Trump's 35-year-old daughter would be getting her own West Wing space, as well as access to classified information and a government-issued phone.
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Listening to NPR's coverage of the ongoing FBI investigation of President Trump and his campaign. What a s*it show. Hard/painful to let it sink in that the current US President is being investigated by the FBI.

Turn off the President's Twitter account, and turn on the popcorn machine. Sigh.

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I don't blame Americans for voting Trump. Public education has been under attack for decades, the average American doesn't earn enough money or have enough vacation time to expose themselves to other cultures and other ways of doing things, and they live in a little bubble in which their greatness compared to rest of the world is continually piped into their ears and when the facade of said greatness has a few cracks, along comes someone who tells them he'll make it all better, albeit without any concrete plans, experience, or basically any qualifications aside from showmanship.

The few Europeans on the other hand who support Trump, possess an exceptional degree of stupidity that I can't fathom or excuse. They know little of actually living in the US, they benefit on a daily basis from a system that provides them with a good education, health care system, public transportation, working conditions, salaries, the very systems that Trump wants to dismantle or resists establishing in the US. If you like the idea of the US under Trump and conservatives so much, I suggest you make it a point to stick to two weeks vacation (not taken consecutively, of course) and why not avoid using your health insurance if you have a pre-existing condition. That way you can really earn the right to use the Trump lingo instead of just being another American flag waving wannabe.
You don't blame Americans who voted for the guy, but Europeans, who are obviously FAR smarter than Americans, are inexcusably stupid for having an opinion on Trump.

What was that about not being snobs?
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You don't blame Americans who voted for the guy, but Europeans, who are obviously FAR smarter than Americans, are inexcusably stupid for having an opinion on Trump.

What was that about not being snobs?
If that's how you want to look at it, feel free. I'd be embarrassed too if I found myself aligned with the least educated demographic in a country that likely has the worst education system in the first world.
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I think many people (especially Europeans) are still lost at what American culture image vs reality is like.
The image is based on fame, celebrity, media, and Hollywood. This is spewed across global mass media, and the rest of the world can't help but assume the majority of the country is like what they see on TV.
The country is huge! A huge majority are decent intelligent hard working individuals (on both sides of the political spectrum).
The media loves to take extreme situations, and outliers, purely because it sells and is consumed.


Are all Americans dumb? Definitely not. Is the education system terrible? It could use some improvements---but if you look at the top 100 universities in the world, half of them are American--anyone who calls that "the worst education system in the world" definitely could benefit from some remedial lessons.
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Turn off the President's Twitter account, and turn on the popcorn machine. Sigh.
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I think many people (especially Europeans) are still lost at what American culture image vs reality is like.
The image is based on fame, celebrity, media, and Hollywood. This is spewed across global mass media, and the rest of the world can't help but assume the majority of the country is like what they see on TV.
The country is huge! A huge majority are decent intelligent hard working individuals (on both sides of the political spectrum).
The media loves to take extreme situations, and outliers, purely because it sells and is consumed.


Are all Americans dumb? Definitely not. Is the education system terrible? It could use some improvements---but if you look at the top 100 universities in the world, half of them are American--anyone who calls that "the worst education system in the world" definitely could benefit from some remedial lessons.
One, you're misquoting. There's a not quite so subtle difference between "the world" and "the first world". Secondly, the public education system in the US is a disaster and while there are some excellent private schools and colleges, those benefit a mere fraction of the population, mostly those who can afford it. If you think a system in which school districts still resist teaching evolution, or where a student is expected to spend half their life paying off a mediocre college education on par with a european standard education needs merely "some improvement" I can't say I agree.
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I think many people (especially Europeans) are still lost at what American culture image vs reality is like.
The image is based on fame, celebrity, media, and Hollywood. This is spewed across global mass media, and the rest of the world can't help but assume the majority of the country is like what they see on TV.
The country is huge! A huge majority are decent intelligent hard working individuals (on both sides of the political spectrum).
Huh?!
I think you're being a tad naive there. If you scratch the surface, many, if not most of us have lots of friends and family in the US that we converse with on a regular basis.
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One, you're misquoting. There's a not quite so subtle difference between "the world" and "the first world". Secondly, the public education system in the US is a disaster and while there are some excellent private schools and colleges, those benefit a mere fraction of the population, mostly those who can afford it. If you think a system in which school districts still resist teaching evolution, or where a student is expected to spend half their life paying off a mediocre college education on par with a european standard education needs merely "some improvement" I can't say I agree.
Fair enough---it's not in the top half of the 'first world', it's also not at the bottom of that list either.


There are 'certain' school districts that do suffer and are very sub par. However I do see this trend being typical of any large/highly populated country. With a larger population distribution you will always have a lot more in the extremes.
Once again, media sensationalism comes into play: There's no advertising dollars made presenting the millions of students and families who do not complain about the choices, planning, and sacrifices they made to go to university.


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I think you're being a tad naive there. If you scratch the surface, many, if not most of us have lots of friends and family in the US that we converse with on a regular basis.
Of course many Europeans have contacts in the US---generally they will have a better idea of what's going on there through stories (hearsay). Similarly many Americans have friends and family in Europe and Switzerland, but I will take their opinion and POV of how European Countries and people are with a grain of salt.
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Fair enough---it's not in the top half of the 'first world', it's also not at the bottom of that list either.


There are 'certain' school districts that do suffer and are very sub par. However I do see this trend being typical of any large/highly populated country. With a larger population distribution you will always have a lot more in the extremes.
Once again, media sensationalism comes into play: There's no advertising dollars made presenting the millions of students and families who do not complain about the choices, planning, and sacrifices they made to go to university.

Of course many Europeans have contacts in the US---generally they will have a better idea of what's going on there through stories (hearsay). Similarly many Americans have friends and family in Europe and Switzerland, but I will take their opinion and POV of how European Countries and people are with a grain of salt.
Luckily we do not have to guess, there are international studies here.

International assessments for school children show the USA to be average or below average; surprisingly always a lot behind Canada which one might expect to be similar.

Similar for adults (except Canada comment), see graphic
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Well yes, and some of us are from the US, educated there and perhaps even worked in universities, so we've seen the changes over time. And we're lucky enough to have relatives who voted for Trump. It's been ...... an experience.


One thing that's happened since the election - interest in running for public office is increasing, and people are engaging (or at least trying to engage) with their representatives. That's productive activism.
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Luckily we do not have to guess, there are international studies here.

International assessments for school children show the USA to be average or below average; surprisingly always a lot behind Canada which one might expect to be similar.

Similar for adults (except Canada comment), see graphic
Why would you expect the Us education system to be similar to that of Canada's?

You mean in the same way that geographic proximity would dictate that Britain's education system must be very similar to Denmark's?
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